Robbie Martin aka videohoax behind Dishonest Creepy Trolling

No, I'm not "exposing" Mr. Martin...he  "exposed" himself.

A little back ground...

Back before I understood the 911 Truth gig was a scam, I wrote a piece published at 9/11 Blogger  titled:  "Heroes: The Metaphor and Evolution in 911 Activism Part 1" .  The commenter "videohoax", a dishonest troll, commented very strangely. One can see the original post here, where the user link is :

http://911blogger.com/users/videohoax

Now if one goes to that URL, one will be sent to Robbie Martin's profile:

Robbie Martin

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8 years 23 weeks

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And sure enough, if one goes to the ghostpage of the blog, http://911blogger.com/node/19332  , there he is.

Comparison :

 I had no idea my troll was Abby Martin's brother.  Oh, yeh, it's that Robbie Martin:

Iraq Beheading Video Hoax Press Release - Vanderford ...
videohoax.ctyme.com/
This is the first episode of Media Roots radio with hosts Abby and Robbie Martin. First we introduce each other and explain our personal political awakenings ...

So "videhoax" is a reference to the belief the Iraq beheading video is fake.  And this guy thinks it's smart to play creepy games on the Internet while his sister is exploiting a mentally unwell woman to push the conspiracy theories. That looks more and more like funding for a lifestyle...

This is exploitation, pure and simple.  If Martin was a real journalist, she'd have done her research on Lindauer and discovered some disturbing things:

 She was jailed for about a year but was released from custody in 2006 after another judge ruled that the government couldn't force her to be medicated for her delusions so she could stand trial.

In agreeing with the psychiatrist's finding, Preska noted the defendant once stuffed tissues into her mouth when she was admonished not to speak out during a hearing without consulting her lawyer.

 Martin might also become aware Lindauer was unable to answer questions put to her by the Occupy community:

  2 points by SLindauer (12) 3 years ago

I was fulfilling the role usually handled by diplomats. I would communicate messages back and forth between U.S> Intelligence & Libya/Iraq. The Arab govts greatly appreciated my work at the U.N. against sanctions, and I was well known on the Security Council. Whether they liked my politics depended on their position on sanctions, but I was well known there. It's only the American public that was ignorant of what I had done for years.
When the CIA got warnings about 9/11, in April & May of 2001, I was ordered to deliver threats of War to Iraq's diplomats at the United Nations-- in the event that Iraq discovered intelligence about the conspiracy & failed to pass it back through my back channel. I was instructed to say the threat originated, and I quote "at the highest levels of government above the CIA Director and above the Secretary of State." That was the exact wording.
The Bush White House was already setting up Iraq. Of course Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11. Again, even if you're tired of 9/11, you've got to know what actually happened, so that you can understand why the War on Terror has been a public fraud to exaggerate White House & Congressional performance on national security. You can't fight back without the facts. You don't need all the details about 9/11 to do that. But you have to know that it was an act of public deception in total. The whole thing was a con job on the American public.

  1 points by Democracydriven (658) 3 years ago

Thanks for the response Susan but you forgot to answer my questions.
What exactly is a back channel?
Who were you actually working for and who was paying your expenses?
How did you end up in this back channel position?
I am really curious as to how somebody could end up in such a influential position.

After three years, no response.  That by itself suggests Lindauer was being "handled" or coached by one of the frauds.  If she was doing this on her own, she'd have been allowed to ramble until she was banned.  Her coach probably noticed this was not a community that would swallow tin foil easily. 

But that's idle speculation.  What isn't speculation:  it's obvious that Lindauer is not credible.


I've written before I thought Abby Martin was being played by Russia Today.  I'm forced to go farther and conclude Martin is not a journalist, serious or otherwise,  but is a Libertarian opportunist.  Bringing us to her brother, dear Robbie.

Both support Ron Paul, even years after being proven beyond a shadow of the doubt, Paul is a fringe rightwing loon who hobnobs with Nazi sympathizers and made millions publishing his racist newletters. Newsletters Lew Rockwell, another Libertarian "truther" profited from:

In 1984, as he left Congress, Paul also set up Ron Paul & Associates (RP&A), with his wife and daughter and his former congressional chief of staff, Lew Rockwell. The next year, RP&A began publishing several publications including The Ron Paul Investment Letter, The Ron Paul Survival Report, and The Ron Paul Political Report. By 1993, RP&A was earning $940,000 per year.

Yet Martin and Martin are proud "Voices of Liberty, Powered by Ron Paul":

Robbie Martin - Voices of Liberty, Powered by Ron Paul www.voicesofliberty.com/bio/robbie-martin/
Sep 9, 2014 - Robbie Martin. http://www.mediaroots.org. Co-host of Media Roots Radio with Abby Martin. Founder of RecordLabelRecords.org. Writer for ...

This would be laughably hokey, except for the fact that Libertarian Liberty Loons are almost always pushing a hidden racist, reactionary, agenda.

Not hard to find.  Either these two intrepid "journalists" are too incompetent to discover this on their own, or, much more likely, they know they're part of a dishonest propaganda machine connected to sleazy racist frauds. 

Let's go back to dear, dear Robbie's comments on my blog and see what the point of them could be.

  i feel sorry for whoever

i feel sorry for whoever read that rant!

Submitted by videohoax on Tue, 02/10/2009 - 11:48am

Well!  I never!

But seriously, Robbie aka VH seems to be trolling for discouragement by being dismissive and bitchy.  Little did he know, had he simply been honest about being knowingly involved in a right-wing racist fraud, I would have fled the so called "movement" a long, long time ago.  

But Robbie wanted to keep that under his hat.  Not only that, but he was keenly interested in recruiting leftists to the cause.

  i think with the right

i think with the right marketing push and distribution chain this film could get just as popular as some of the recent liberal/left leaning documentaries like Freedom to Facism, Why we Fight, and Who killed the electric car. I wonder what the disinformation people are doing beyond these initial screenings. I firmly believe we could see something like this at sundance or even cannes
thoughts?

videohoax on Fri, 09/08/2006 - 5:53pm.

But when he knew he was talking to a left liberal he's dismissive and bitchy?  He's doing it wrong.

Of course the real reason was, by this time, those wittingly involved in the truther fraud has sussed out I would never push Ron Paul, would never let Holocaust denial slide, would never swallow any "red pills".  Robbie/videohoax wasn't the first passive/aggressive "troll" trying to tell me, via a code so obscure Alan Turning would be at a loss, that I was unwelcome.  As I've said before, these people have no one to blame but themselves:

The problem with using left political rhetoric, slogans and ideas is, um...well, the obvious: they set themselves up to get leftists interested in what they had to say.  And if they set up their con well(and for several years they did), those leftists are going to get involved and expect them to walk the lefty anti-racist talk.  And they'll be very unhappy when the movement "leaders" refuse to denounce, and kick out the racists(Barrett, Fetzer, Bollyn, Thorn, Dice, Tarpley, etc, ad nausum).   

Someone didn't think that one through.

Now, with Robbie's wee correction to his 911blogger account, I'm aware of yet one more fraud to add to the list.  A few searches will show his sister is promoted on this website:

http://mycatbirdseat.com/2014/06/hillary-clinton-2016-a-recipe-for-endless-war/

My Catbird Seat June 18, 2014 1
Abby Martin calls out former Secretary of State Hilary Clinton over her lucrative speaking tour in the run up to the 2016 presidential elections as well as outlining the former first lady’s corporate ties

On the same website, Merlin Miller is a contributor:
http://mycatbirdseat.com/2014/05/traitors-in-our-government-allegiance-to-israel/

Traitors in our Government Allegiance to Israel

Merlin Miller May 10, 2014 4 There's a fifth column in America. A Trojan Horse within our laws, composed of dual citizens and foreign nationals.

 Merlin Miller is a racist with direct ties to the White Supremacist American Freedom Party.

This disgusts me to no end.  Of course Robbie and Abby will plead they have no control over who supports their stuff, and how unfair they're being picked on here, "guilt by association", etc.   But maybe they should have thought about that before claiming to be "powered by" a racist scumbag like Ron Paul.

Mind, I would have never known that I was the focus of Robbie's attention if the owners of 911blogger had deleted my account and comments because I do not want anything I've said going to support what is now obviously a fraud.  That request was made some time ago.  I would never have noticed who my troll was if they had been responsive.  Maybe the Martins would like a wee chat with the 911blogger owners about that....

And the owners are perfectly capable of removing blogs/comments/accounts.  For instance, they've removed the only one I left live...about how Craig 'Killtown' Lazo is friends with Lew Rockwell, Ron Paul's right hand man, proving the truther fraud goes to the top of the Libertarian Party:

If this is it....Part 5- “Killtown”, Lew Rockwell and the Ludwig von Mises Institute

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Showing the "never delete" policy is a lie and Keogh and Orangatan are hypocrites.  I suspect it was one comment in particular they found troublesome:

Possibly the most important message in this blog--

http://thinkprogress.org/2007/12/26/ron-paul-95-percent-of-black-men-are...
Indeed, it is shocking to consider the uniformity of opinion among blacks in this country. Opinion polls consistently show that only about 5% of blacks have sensible political opinions, i.e. support the free market, individual liberty, and the end of welfare and affirmative action…. Given the inefficiencies of what D.C. laughingly calls the “criminal justice system,” I think we can safely assume that 95% of the black males in that city are semi-criminal or entirely criminal.
“But, whoever actually wrote them, the newsletters I saw all had one thing in common: They were published under a banner containing Paul’s name, and the articles (except for one special edition of a newsletter that contained the byline of another writer) seem designed to create the impression that they were written by him--and reflected his views. What they reveal are decades worth of obsession with conspiracies, sympathy for the right-wing militia movement, and deeply held bigotry against blacks, Jews, and gays. In short, they suggest that Ron Paul is not the plain-speaking antiwar activist his supporters believe they are backing--but rather a member in good standing of some of the oldest and ugliest traditions in American politics.”
“To understand Paul’s philosophy, the best place to start is probably the Ludwig von Mises Institute, a libertarian think tank based in Auburn, Alabama. The institute is named for a libertarian Austrian economist, but it was founded by a man named Lew Rockwell, who also served as Paul’s congressional chief of staff from 1978 to 1982.”
“The politics of the organization are complicated--its philosophy derives largely from the work of the late Murray Rothbard, a Bronx-born son of Jewish immigrants from Poland and a self-described “anarcho-capitalist” who viewed the state as nothing more than “a criminal gang”--but one aspect of the institute’s worldview stands out as particularly disturbing: its attachment to the Confederacy.”
And

Now I must regretfully caution all 9/11 truth activists of African descent, or who identify as African descent or who LOOK LIKE they could be of African descent: there are bono fide racists(er, supporters of “the Confederacy”) operating in 9/11 truth and we know how dangerous racists can be. Under no circumstances let anyone manipulate you into surrendering your anonymity unless it is your informed decision.

http://coljennysparks.blogspot.com/2010/06/if-this-is-itpart-5-killtown-...

Submitted by Col. Jenny Sparks on Wed, 06/02/2010 - 5:29pm.

Now you have to think why would anyone who is not a racist want to hide proof of racists in the 911 truth movement?

It's all good...anyone can still read that blog here:

 http://coljennysparks.blogspot.com/2010/06/if-this-is-itpart-5-killtown-lew.html


As for Robbie Martin aka videohoax, I should feel sad for him wasting his life on this fraudulent conspiracy crap.

Then I remember he almost certainly knows it's a front to organize the fringe racist right.  He is likely one of the parties behind the heavy Russian webtraffic, here and here, as his Facebook page has him actually living in Russia:

https://www.facebook.com/FluorescentGrey

• Podcast & Video Producer, Writer at Media Roots

  1953 to present

   
• Lives in Molokanskiy, Orenburgskaya Oblast', Russia

In any case, it's a lesson in how not to do diplomacy.  If Robbie's someone's useful idiot, he might consider dropping the gig.

Maybe the next time Robbie thinks about luring leftists into a fringe right propaganda machine just so he can try to bully them when they don't play ball, he'll think twice.

But I doubt it. The grandiose entitlement of "truther" frauds seems without end....



For more on the bankrupt toxicity of the Libertarian Party read this great article:

What's wrong with libertarianism

The Right Hand of Occupy Wall Street

Anti facists have been passing this article around that details elements of OWS and the mechanisms of "infiltration" from fringe right groups.  Except that it's less infiltration after the fact and more they had their people in the planning groups from day one.   It's not as blatent a scam as the truth movement, but the elements are there:  let's build an ostensible progressive grassroots movement, the liberals will come, and we'll promote our sleazy agenda under the cover they give. 

Not everyone was fooled, as one anarchist expounds, but enough people got caught up to make one cynical about the next allegedly leftist revolutionary movement.

One note of caution: the website Political Research, was a haunt of Chip Berlet, who was almost certainly in on the Kennebunkport Hoax.   Mr. Berlet was oddly defensive when asked any questions about how he even knew about the hoax, and one owner of the SLC blog with a record of dishonest conduct was rather quick to push Tarpley's frame, that people were getting money from Berlet and the Ford Foundation.   It seems Berlet's association with Political Research Associates has ended, so that's something.

Excerpts relevant to the "truth movement" fraud are quotes below.  Read the entire article at the following link:  http://www.politicalresearch.org/2014/02/23/the-right-hand-of-occupy-wall-street-from-libertarians-to-nazis-the-fact-and-fiction-of-right-wing-involvement/#

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The Right Hand of Occupy Wall Street: From Libertarians to Nazis, the Fact and Fiction of Right-Wing Involvement

By Spencer Sunshine, on February 23, 2014

Spencer Sunshine, Ph.D. (associate fellow) is a researcher and activist. His research interests include U.S. white nationalism, post-war fascism (particularly Third Position and European New Right politics), left/right crossover movements, and left-wing antisemitism. As an activist he has worked on issues regarding anti-fascism, police misconduct, prisoner rights, global trade agreements, environmental issues, and bisexual and queer politics. Follow him on Twitter at @transform6789.
The most successful mobilization on the Left in recent years—the Occupy movement—had ambiguously defined enemies and used an organizing model that was easily replicated. These strategies were key elements of its success, but they also enabled a significant level of participation by the Right. Though it is tempting to gloss over or deny that reality, the Left would benefit from beginning to grapple with it.

Occupy Wall Street (OWS) has often been portrayed as the Tea Party’s ideological mirror image: a left-wing response to the global economic crises that began in August 2007. Initiated with a tent city in Manhattan’s Zuccotti Park in mid-September 2011, spinoff “Occupations” soon spread across the United States and then to cities across the globe. These protests, which targeted the federal government’s cozy relationship with the banking interests that caused the economic collapse, channeled the mounting anger of those most devastated by the economic meltdown, especially debt-ridden students, the unemployed, and people who lost homes in the subprime mortgage crisis.

But this mainstream-media view tends to gloss over the involvement of right-wing and conspiracist groups in Occupy. In the perception of many participants, the Right’s presence was largely limited to a lone homeless man who paraded antisemitic signs around Zuccotti, which became the basis of a right-wing “smear” campaign. More recently, venture capitalists like Tom Perkins have slandered Occupy, absurdly comparing its attack on wealth inequality to the Nazi persecution of Jews.¹ Because of this, many progressives plug their ears when they hear about right-wing groups and Occupy. (In this essay, OWS refers to the New York City occupation, while Occupy refers to the movement in general.)
Certainly, Occupy was always a largely left-leaning event. But right-wing participation has been the norm rather than the exception within recent left-wing U.S. movements—including the antiglobalization, antiwar, environmental, and animal rights movements—and Occupy was no exception.² Right-wing groups inserted their narrative about the Federal Reserve into the movement’s visible politics; used Occupy’s open-ended structure to disseminate conspiracy theories (antisemitic and otherwise) and White nationalism; promoted unfettered capitalism; and gained experience, skills, and political confidence as organizers in a mass movement that, on the whole, allowed their participation.
Ideally, none of these things should have happened. Advocates for social justice need to assess the motivations, extent, and substance of right-wing participation in Occupy—just as has been done with past movements. Despite the painful feelings it might evoke, it is time for this process to start.

The problem of finance capital and ambiguous enemies

The original call for OWS from Adbusters magazine said the demonstrators themselves would decide on the “one demand” of the occupation, but this never materialized. Instead, the eminently populist slogan “We are the 99%” became their rallying cry. The one percent—often assumed to be those whose household incomes were over $500,000—was obviously associated with “Wall Street,” the focus of the demonstration.³ But many people with that kind of income were not associated with Wall Street at all. And, in any case, what exactly was Wall Street: the New York Stock Exchange? Banks? Bankers? Global corporations? The Federal Reserve? And who were the one percent: Crony capitalists specifically? Capitalists generally? The rich? Political elites? The Bilderberg Group? The Rothschild family? Jews? Or—as one popular conspiracy theorist had it—our reptilian overlords?

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But in addition to this general, populist appeal for uniting the people against the elites, there was one specific piece of common ground. While few right-wing actors see capitalism as a system to be abolished, many are harsh critics of finance capital, especially in its international form. This critique unites antisemites, who believe that Jews run Wall Street; libertarian “free marketers,” who see the Federal Reserve as their enemy; and advocates of “producerist” narratives, who want “productive national capital” (such as manufacturing and agriculture) to be cleaved from “international finance capital” (the global banking system and free-trade agreements).

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In Occupy the most common demand of the various right-wing and conspiracy groups—especially those who openly called for Left-Right unity—was for the abolition of the Federal Reserve. Whether this is an issue actually shared by the Left, or just an attempt to get the Left to support right-wing policies, is another question.
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The initial controversy over antisemitism

The Right’s participation was far from limited to a handful of antisemites, but it is nonetheless true that Occupy’s attacks on finance capital attracted many of them, since such attacks were easily integrated into their fantasies of Jews controlling the banking industry. (Rather than explicitly naming Jews as the villain, antisemites often instead demonize a subgroup that they identify as Jewish, such as Zionists, international bankers, neoconservatives, “the Frankfurt School”—or Wall Street.)
Adbusters, the magazine that initially sparked OWS, has an especially troublesome past. Its editor and co-founder, Kalle Lasn, published an article in 2004 criticizing neoconservatives by invoking numerous antisemitic narratives. The article included a list of prominent neoconservatives with marks next to the Jewish names. Responding to widespread criticism, Lasn denied that he was antisemitic but showed no understanding of why the narrative of the article was offensive. More recently, the magazine has published articles by antisemitic writer and musician Gilad Atzmon.⁵ This certainly raises the question of whether Adbusters’s choice of Wall Street as a target may have been shaped by narratives influenced by antisemitism.
Some mainstream right-wing media attempted to discredit OWS as being primarily antisemitic from the outset.

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The result was that many Occupy protestors on the Left felt that they were being unfairly “smeared” as antisemites by the mainstream Right in an attempt to discredit the movement as a whole, and, furthermore, that these claims were without merit.⁹ This fear of subversion created an atmosphere of denial and a general consensus that there was no involvement in Occupy by those further to the Right than Ron Paul.
Right-wing and conspiracist participation in Occupy was nonetheless real, and it involved more than 20 groups, prominent figures, and media outlets. These included Ron Paul supporters, Alex Jones, Oath Keepers, David Icke, We Are Change, Tea Party members, National-Anarchists, Attack the System, the Pacifica Forum, American Free Press, LaRouchites, Counter-Currents, the American Freedom Party, American Front, David Duke, the American Nazi Party, White Revolution, and others. (A detailed account of their participation is available separately in my essay, “Twenty on the Right in Occupy.”)¹⁰ Their involvement included attending planning meetings, taking part in the encampments, making appeals directed to the Occupiers, and co-opting online resources. They fell into four overlapping categories: anti-Federal Reserve activists, conspiracy theorists, antisemites, and White nationalists/neo Nazis.

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The “End the Fed!” factor and the conspiracy theorists

As Occupy Wall Street burgeoned, Ron Paul was campaigning for the 2012 GOP presidential nomination. Although there was no obvious mechanism organizing their participation, Paulists were at the OWS planning meetings, and they remained a fixture in the movement and appeared at almost all Occupations, though they were usually a small but vocal minority.

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The ambiguity of Occupy attracted a substantial number of Paul’s supporters, who in turn attracted a fair amount of media coverage for themselves. They gained general traction within Occupy because of their objection to the Federal Reserve’s bailout of the major banks after the financial collapse, and sometimes focused on its role in the subprime mortgage crisis. Counterintuitively for many, the lesson of the crisis for Paulists was the need for less—not more—federal involvement in the banking system.
Many others who wanted to abolish the Federal Reserve also became involved in Occupy; most supported Paul’s candidacy. Alex Jones, one of the most popular U.S. conspiracy theorists (although not a consistent supporter of Occupy), attempted to crash the movement by calling for a national event on Oct. 6, 2011, to “Occupy the Fed.” Jones said that, contrary to media portrayals of Occupy as left-leaning, “The people on the ground … understand the Federal Reserve is the central organization empowering this world government system. This is a revolt against banker occupation.”¹²
At the same time, the Oath Keepers organization, in concert with Jones and others, concocted a national push to insert “End the Fed!” rhetoric into Occupy under a call to “Occupy the Occupation!” (Oath Keepers, which holds armed marches, recruits current and former military and law enforcement employees who swear to “uphold the Constitution,” and is driven by conspiracies about the coming One World Government.) It also helped establish an encampment in Occupy Los Angeles and attempted to recruit there.¹³
Another Fed critic was David Icke, known for his metaconspiracy theory that the global elite are descendants of reptilian aliens who seek to enslave humanity—a story that weaves in classic antisemitic narratives. His “Essential Knowledge For A Wall Street Protestor” video, which promotes anti-Federal Reserve and related economic conspiracies, has about 350,000 views. He also made an hour-long “ad-lib documentary” in Zuccotti Park just after the encampment was evicted by authorities.¹⁴ Icke’s followers were active in both U.S. and U.K. Occupations.
Other conspiracists who worked in Occupy include We Are Change (WAC), an international 9/11 “Truther” group. Luke Rudkowski, the group’s founder, is a prolific video blogger and is well-known for his paparazzi-style interviews. On site at OWS from the first day, he did extensive video coverage at Zuccotti Park and is also featured in David Icke’s videos.
Members of WAC New York City, a splinter faction, were also active in OWS, including Danny Panzella, a Tea Party activist who ran for state office in 2010. Even before OWS, Panzella organized demonstrations against the downtown Manhattan Federal Reserve, and he worked hard to refocus Occupy on an “End the Fed!” agenda. He appeared on the Fox News show Freedom Watch, in one of a number of the show’s broadcasts that encouraged libertarians to attend Occupy events.¹⁵ Other members of the group who worked with OWS included Craig FitzGerald, a “National-Anarchist” who promotes Holocaust denial and endorses White separatism.

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Online, antisemites have continued to be connected to Occupy projects. The most popular is an imposter Facebook page that mimics the “real” main one—and posts blatantly antisemitic content. It has attracted nearly 650,000 followers. (By contrast, the page affiliated with the organization that arose from the Zuccotti encampment has fewer than 500,000 followers.) It is unclear who the secretive administrators of the imposter site are, or why it became so popular. Attempts to remove it have so far been unsuccessful.¹⁷

One of the Far Right’s most enthusiastic Occupy champions was the American Free Press, an antisemitic weekly newspaper that is heir to Willis Carto’s media empire. It promoted Occupy even before the initial action, and for months it printed numerous articles supporting the movement, including firsthand reporting from various Occupations.¹⁸

Lyndon LaRouche’s Far Right sect was initially involved in OWS. It has long pushed for restoring Glass-Steagall, a New Deal-era act that limited the kinds of investments that banks could make, which was repealed in the late 1990s. Many believe that it would have prevented the housing crisis had it remained in effect. During Occupy, two bills were in Congressional committee that would have restored its provisions, and it was a priority for many Occupy protestors on the Left, as well. LaRouche’s followers were active in the OWS planning meetings, where Glass-Steagall’s restoration was one of six initial proposals for the never-realized “one demand.”¹⁹ LaRouche’s organization even claimed credit for making its reinstatement “a leading demand of the movement.”²⁰ Staff at Counter-Currents, a leading U.S. publisher of intellectual fascism and White nationalism, claimed to have attended the San Francisco and Oakland occupations, and they described the events as a valuable experience
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The most prominent figure on the Far Right to endorse Occupy was David Duke, a former Republican state representative from Louisiana and an elder statesman of the U.S. White nationalist movement. In a video from October 2011, “Occupy Zionist Wall Street,” Duke denounced the “Zionist thieves at the Federal Reserve” and “the most powerful criminal bank in the world, the Zionist Goldman Sachs, run by that vulture-nosed bottom feeder, Lloyd Blankfein.” The video has received more than 100,000 views to date. Duke later wrote on the White supremacist web forum Stormfront that “OWS is an opportunity. … Grab this opportunity!”²²
White nationalists also participated in some of the movement’s less high-profile iterations, such as Occupy Indianapolis (OI). Matt Parrott of Hoosier Nation—the local branch of the White nationalist American Third Position Party, now called the American Freedom Party—attended OI, and made a video interviewing participants. He wrote: “Our experience was peaceful and positive, affirming my suspicion that the majority of the Occupy Indianapolis attendees were fed up with the same corporate and federal abuses the majority of the Tea Party protesters are fed up with.”²³ His colleague “Tristania” [Nazi lover and Libertarian operative Jaenelle Antas] posted a comment on Stormfront saying that “it was a very good opportunity for outreach” and that “it’s about cherry picking people from those audiences and recruiting them to our side.”²⁴
  [That is a nutshell is what the "truth" movement con was for--recruiting people from the left to push a Nazi agenda]
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Why did they participate?

It is a mistake to view these right-wing groups and people as “infiltrating” Occupy, since in some cases they supported and helped organize it even before it started. Others were simply participating in a demonstration that loudly proclaimed that it was open to everyone and refused to define even its most basic concepts or demands.
Yet some on the Right did view their work as intentional co-optation. This is an intrinsic problem with the “franchise activism” model, or the practice of setting up a name and format that anyone can adopt and act under. While it allows for ease of replication and flexibility in action—one of Occupy’s great strengths—it also allows a variety of political visions to be pursued under its banner. For example, almost no mechanisms are available to deem the “imposter” Facebook page as illegitimate in relation to the “real” one.

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 The point it is not so much that the Left was significantly damaged by the Right’s presence in Occupy—though its presence did open the movement up to attacks in the mainstream media, which wasted the time and effort of organizers while turning off potential supporters. The deeper problem is that right-wing groups benefited from the Left’s willingness to give them a stage to speak from and an audience to recruit from.
[The problem with any "big tent" strategy in a nutshell]

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 As a result, the involvement of right-wing groups in Occupy raises questions about the dilemma of creating a movement that is open to “everyone” but must exclude certain elements if it is to avoid becoming a forum for right-wing populist protest. The basic format of the demonstrations—a populist attack on finance capital with ambiguous formulations—harmonized quite well with the political vocabulary and framework of the Right and conspiracy theorists.

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Are there any practical steps, then, that activists on the Left can take to minimize participation by the Right?
The administrators at the OccupyWallSt.org forum, the main online location of internal discussions, took one small step after they were deluged by conspiracy theorists and Far Right propagandists. In October 2011, they banned anyone who posted about Icke, LaRouche, Duke, or Jones.³¹
A more proactive first step would be to endorse an anti-oppression platform at the very start, such as the one created at Occupy Boston. Unlike the relatively vague statement from Zuccotti, Boston’s statement explicitly named the types of oppression that it opposed, including White supremacy, patriarchy, ageism, homophobia, transphobia, anti-Arab sentiment, Islamophobia, and anti-Jewish sentiment.³²
A member of the Hoosier Anti-Racist Movement pointed out that if such a platform had been in place in Occupy Indianapolis, when racist sentiments were expressed towards people of color, there would have been an existing agreement to point to—and a basis for asking the larger group to intervene—rather than relying on nonexistent cooperation from the majority of the largely White participants. The HARM member also said that if racists had been confronted and expelled from the physical occupation, they likely would not have posted a positive video of their experience, felt welcome to continue to participate in the group’s social media, or written about their warm reception.³³ Not taking a proactive stance against antisemitism at Zuccotti led to significant bad press and much time and energy invested—often by Jewish participants—in putting out fires.

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[From the DUH files.   Let's see if the next mass left movement learns from Occupy's mistakes.]

28pages.org: Latest Libertarian "Truther" Swindle

 Update: 9/10:

The webmaster is apparently going public with Abby Martin, according to his Twitter feed--that he links to from his website, and therefore it shouldn't be too difficult for some people to suss out who he is, sigh):

28Pages.org ‏@28Pages

Brian McGlinchey of http://28Pages.org  to appear on @BreakingTheSet w @AbbyMartin Thursday 9/11 at 6 & 9:30pm #Declassify

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It's painful to watch people again and again fail to get the obvious:  911 "Truth" is a far right con.  So it's no surprise the person  behind 28pages.org is yet another "Freedom, Liberty, Constitution"  Paulbot.  Ron Paul wrote the book on selling political cons for years and making millions to boot.

28pages.org is the website of  Ron Paul fanatic Brian McGlinchey.   He promotes it at Facebook on his LibertyMcG page:

 https://www.facebook.com/pages/LibertyMcG/383080208372978

A page for followers of LibertyMcG.com, Brian McGlinchey's brand-new blog on politics and policy from a perspective that values individual freedom and...

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LibertyMcG shared a link.

14 July

It's time to finally declassify those 28 pages of the 9/11 Report

28 Pages.org

28pages.org

A resource center for the growing, bipartisan movement to declassify 28 pages of the 9/11 Commission...

McGlinchey also promoted 28pages.org under his personal account:

 https://www.facebook.com/RepThomasMassie/posts/834056359951863

Brian McGlinchey Thank you for your vocal leadership in the drive to declassify 28 pages from a 9/11 report detailing foreign government involvement in 9/11. There's a new site to support the cause: http://28pages.org/

1 · July 15 at 11:33am · Edited

 

McGlinchey is the sole owner of the website at this time:

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Presumably in an attempt to obfuscate the fringe right origins, McG has wasted no time wooing a misguided "truther" into the 28pages orbit:

28Pages.org Thanks to Jon Gold for capturing the CSPAN broadcast. His channel: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC66YC8HKheNZC5NTTLZq3yg

1 · July 23 at 11:33am

This soon after foolishly jumping onto this scamwagon with both feet:

Jon Gold

July 23 at 6:12am ·

If and when the 28 redacted pages of the Joint Congressional Inquiry are released, and people in our Government try to use those pages as an excuse to go to war with Saudi Arabia (which I don't think they can do since Saudi Arabia owns a large portion of this country), we will need to make sure the whole history of the relationship between Saudi Arabia and those two hijackers in San Diego is known, that the whole history of the CIA seemingly protecting those two hijackers in San Diego is known, that one of the first things Bush did when he came into office was to tell the alphabet agencies to "back off" the Saudis and the Bin Ladens, that we have protected Saudi Arabia's support for terrorism since long before 9/11, that the Bush Family, George Tenet and Prince Bandar were really good friends (money connected to those two hijackers in San Diego came from the Bandar family), that George W. Bush and Bandar were talking about the need for "decisive action" in Iraq in the months before 9/11, that Bandar said Saudi intelligence was following most of the hijackers "with precision," that Philip Zelikow and Prince Bandar both belong to the Aspen Strategy Group, that the Consulate in Jeddah where some of the hijackers got their Visas was the same consulate used in the 80's to bring "terrorists" to the U.S. to train for the Afghanistan/Russia War, that the VIsa Express Program, a program used by some of the hijackers to get visas, applied only to Saudi Arabia and was started months before 9/11. Stuff like that…

Any doubts about 28pages.org being a fringe extremist astroturf project should be demolished by this post at the Daily Paul:
[UPDATE: link to Daily Paul has been scrubbed.   Who knows why..possibly to obscure the anti "gubmint"politics of the Alt-Right Libertarians now they have an ear in Trump "gubmint".   So here's a Wayback link...bitches. ]

28Pages.org: "Because Foreign Government Involvement in 9/11 Shouldn't Stay Secret"

Submitted by BP_McLiberty on Thu, 07/17/2014 - 18:33

New site launched as a "resource for the growing movement to declassify a 28-page finding about foreign government involvement in 9/11"...
Foreign Government Involvement in 9/11 Shouldn’t Stay Secret
And that’s why we’ve launched 28Pages.org. More than a website, it will serve as an information and activism hub for citizens, elected officials and journalists who want to follow or join the growing, bipartisan movement to declassify a 28-page finding about foreign support for the 9/11 terrorists.
The 28-page redaction at issue is found in the report of the Joint Inquiry into Intelligence Community Activities Before and After the Terrorist Attacks of September 11, 2001. Not to be confused with the 9/11 Commission, this inquiry was a separate undertaking of the House and Senate intelligence committees.
While the resulting 838-page volume features many redacted words, sentences and paragraphs, President George W. Bush’s censorship of this particular section was comprehensive: 28 consecutive pages fully masked from public view, with only a few introductory paragraphs left intact. Within what little that is visible, we find the inquiry reviewed “FBI and CIA documents suggesting specific potential sources of foreign support for the September 11 hijackers.”
Check out the site and read the rest of this intro at 28Pages.org :
http://28pages.org/2014/07/17/foreign-government-involvement...

There is no "growing movement".  It's the same pool of fringe reactionary loons that brought us the Y2K scare and invented the "Truth" movement. For instance the Facebook page has a total of 25 likes at this time.

This swindle is aimed at a very small slice of the Facebook community.  For comparison NARAL ProChoice Texas  has 8,100 likes.   Granted, they've been around longer and have more chapters, but if the conspiracy scam ringmasters can't rally more that 25 of the Alex Jones/Icke troops after a week, maybe it's time to throw in the towel.

  Any doubts about McGlinchey's Libertarian DNA should be
dispelled with this photo with racist loon Ron Paul:

McGlinchey isn't the first Libertarian to plug the "truther" con.

[See: Lew Rockwell and Craig "Killtown" Lazo.
 http://jennyquarx.blogspot.com/2014/07/occupy-retospective-at-lady-liberty.html
 http://jennyquarx.blogspot.com/2014/04/on-rand-paul-tea-parties-and-white.html
 http://jennyquarx.blogspot.com/2014/03/the-anti-semite-elephant-in-room.html
 http://jennyquarx.blogspot.com/2014/02/lew-rockwell-gullible-libertarian-or.html
]

Sadly it doesn't look like he'll be the last.

Maybe there's something to these 28pages legitimate authorities should investigate.

But it's more likely, given Libertarian "truther" history, the agenda behind the 28pages.org website is to keep the "truther" con alive and/or promote the anti-Semite, anti government, conspiracy worldview fringe right political interests have exploited for decades.

Viva la Madness!

 For more on McG go to his linked in profile:


 https://www.linkedin.com/in/brianmcglinchey

28pages.org

Update:  Mild hilarity can be had at the expense websites run by frauds, pretending to disparage each other ...

Wow. Didn't think you could so easily top yourself. My statement that I am lobbying to have you demoted is not a threat as the statement is it's own action. What I said is already lobbying.
I'd also point out that I find your use of the term threat and suggestion that I make threats to be totally inappropriate and far beyond acceptable behavior for comments on this site. Who among us does everything we hope to do? I'm quite sure I haven't delivered on every promise. But "threats" are something else and you should know that.
Your behavior here further confirms my concern about your moderation. Or perhaps you need a break. Maybe you are burnt out just like anyone who really cares about this can be. Maybe you need to re-evaluate your position and get back to me, or rather us.
I don't 'believe' this stuff. I've learned how it works. Good strategy is not opinion but historical fact. The history of social movements and the history of this movement. Some things don't work and I do not intend to accept you laughing at me because I know what does. That's a direct act of ignorance, and it has no place in a movement about truth.

..... while both promote the exact same conspiracy blog about 28pages:

Site 1
Site 2

 "This is something real,"

Please. Stop.  This isn't funny.  It's sad.  In fact it's all a direct act of ignorance .

Occupy Retospective at Lady Liberty Lamp, Ron Paul and General Lunacy

With a couple amusing jabs at the Ron Paul political machine.

A couple of friends of mine got heavy into Occupy, one with an unfortunate fixation on Ron Paul, no matter how much evidence of Paul's racist associations leaked out.    It was like a perverse version of voting for the lesser evil strategy, except that Ron Paul was actually the greater evil. 

Occupy itself was fraught with issues before the scammers and loons Lady Liberty analyses jumped on the bandwagon, but this doesn't take away from LLL excellent points.  

One observation from the getgo is most of the infiltration is by political groups, conartists, or corporate opportunists from both camps.  Very little directly by the "gubmint", though of course this is happening, but in a much more subtle way. 

Infiltrators of the Occupy Movement.


Popular activist movements attract all manner of scavengers and hangers-on, most of which seek to capitalize on the success of the more popular group to compensate for the fact that the majority of society regards them as a bunch of babbling kooks. The Occupy Movement is no different, with everyone from The American Spectator to Zeitgeist seeing the mass throng of people as easy pickings by which to enlarge their subscriber base and coffers. Some of these groups, however, see the Occupy Movement as a means to seek legitimacy for their own morally reprehensible causes, whether that takes the form of racism, fraud or selling out activists to the feds.
Here then, is a list of some of the most odious and dangerous groups and individuals currently sucking off the teat of the Occupy Movement. These people shouldn’t be considered part of the broader Occupy Movement, no matter what sort of “authority” they claim.

A list follows heavily represented by"Patriot" pro militia groups, including our "friend" Dr. Paul:

-The Ron Paul Movement

Ron Paul cult of wackos

Personality cult built around a racist old coot. Why they’re involved with this is puzzling, because the overall thrust of the movement has been agitating for increased government oversight on Wall Street and banks and increased taxes on millionaires, which is something Ron Paul categorically opposes as being “un constitutional.” They want your money and your vote.

 Underline mine.

As the savvy are aware, the Ron Paul Campaign for Liberty was never far from the 9/11 "truth" conspiracy franchise, what with Ron Paul's wingman Lew Rockwell up to his eyeballs in Craig "killtown" Lazo's 911 movement forum. 

Zeitgeist deserves mention since it was pushed aggressively in "truther" circles at one time as a new "paradigm" or some-such.

911blogger.com/topics/zeitgeist

-Zeitgeist
UFO cult associated with something called The Venus Project, which is debunked in a very thorough manner here. The long and short of it is that they want your money.

One blog promoting Zeitgeist was frank about the vague mysteriousness or the promotional literature, often a "tell" of cult bait/switch:

 http://911blogger.com/news/2007-07-05/zeitgeist-movie-dvd-downloading-0

 Poor blogging
And poor website. After reading this blog, I know absolutely nothing about the film.
So I took the time to go to the website, and after looking at it, I know absolutely nothing about the film.
I don't even know why it would be a good reason and worth my time to go to the website, or watch the film.

 It's supposed to be a bit of a mystery
Therefore you don't get a long synopsis, only the Q: "What does Christianity, 911 and The Federal Reserve have in common?"
But in the blog, just look at the pictures here, the pictures.
Come on now, dear doughnut, just click the play button, you will not be wasting your time. Then tell us what you thought of it.

Seriously?   He needs to waste 2 hours of his life before he has any idea if it's worth it?

Another charming thread about Zeitgeist, with links to the Cassiopeia cult, and David Cole boosters like this guy:

Sorry pal, but after the monstrous 9/11 lie, why should anyone be shocked that 9/11 was not the first time history has been embellished and/or just plain made up? I would be surprised if 9/11 was the only or the biggest historical distortion of our ruling classes! War is always a tragedy for civilians, just ask the residents of Hiroshima and Nagasaki. Oh it was a "just war" alright! It was very just the way everyone except the wealthy backers of both sides (the same people of course) got to suffer equally. 6 million is a symbolic number that has been used even after the official mainstream accepted number killed at Auschwitz was reduced from 4 million to 1 million. Everything you want people to think about those who question the official holocaust narrative is in fact true of those who helped to cause and have since manipulated, misrepresented, and profited from genuine suffering of Jewish people during WW2. The lies and gross exaggerations of Zionists were just atrocity propaganda sanctioned by the victors of the war and used to justify the theft of Palestinian land conveniently near the world's oil fields so that european imperialists could hide behind the seemingly noble cause of restitution to Jewish victims of German war crimes.
For those shocked to read such things, be sure to look up the work of Jewish holocaust revisionist David Cole, and see what ended up happening to him for daring to question the official history. 9/11 Truthers should learn from his experience trying to bring the truth to people who don't want to hear it!
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Real Truther a.k.a. Verdadero Verdadero
WTCdemolition.com - Harvard Task Force
NEW---> check out our revamped site!

Real Truther on Tue, 06/12/2007 - 3:13pm.

 And this guy:

When you look at what was done to David Cole...

Historian David Irving and many others who only search for truth you will know that the we're in the "violently opposed" stage of Holocaust discussion. Prof. Tony Martin is another example of someone, who merely questioned the Jewish role in the trans-Atlantic slave trade (and no more so than any other European race), and was attacked & threatened mercilessly.
It's the information age folks, put it to use.

Big_D on Tue, 06/12/2007 - 10:10pm.

Yes, poor, poor, poor David Cole-Stein the Con Man:

 http://jennyquarx.blogspot.com/2014/01/holocaust-denier-cole-infiltrates.html

Turns out he was less "oppressed" than just wanted to reinvent himself after deep professional embarrassment.  It's notable none of Cole super fans have flocked back to him after his outing.

But I digress.    Or perhaps when loons infiltrate a popular movement, the lunacy is doomed to propagate.

Viva La Madness.

Let's end on a hilarious exchange from the comments:

M. Kaney

October 29, 2011 at 10:34 pm

By the way, I will be straight up and not try to dance around it. It is your classic portrayal of Ron as a crazy racist old coot.. that classic talking point that requires no independent thought or acknowledgement of a brilliant man is what gives you away as an infiltrator yourself. Like him or hate him, most of the people in the movement have been open enough to have intelligent and sincere conversations about the man and the ideas he champions. That’s what gave you away, your lack of intellectual humility.

Thelibertylamp

October 30, 2011 at 12:00 am

What ideas are those? That 95% of all black males in DC are criminals? That global warming is a myth? That evolution doesn’t exist? That the economy needs to be placed squarely in the hands of precious metals speculators? That labor unions have no right to exist? That abortion should be criminalized? That governmental regulation of private industry is a flawed idea? That banks and capitalism need to exist in an environment unhindered and unfettered by pesky regulations? Ron Paul’s only contribution is that his rhetoric variously demands either the auditing or abolition of the federal reserve– but there is no plan after that. We’ve always had a sincere position on Ron Paul: he’s a racist, theocratic old man who– apart from being profoundly anti-labor– is an advocate of the highest degree for the privileges of the ultra-rich to live without having to contribute anything to the communities in which they live.
And what about this term you threw in at the end– “intellectual humility?” Are you using this term because you mean to imply we are violating Mill’s credo that we are not humble about what we don’t know– that we are arrogant and close-minded? Or instead do you mean that we should humble ourselves before your sacred cows because we might offend you? Instead of readily dismissing criticisms of Paul for whatever reason, perhaps the entire Ron Paul movement needs to practice some intellectual humility of its own. I am sick and tired of seeing reams of denials and apologetics about Ron Paul’s racism in his own paper from members of his movement– when people are presented with incontrovertible statements (and even video footage, with regards to the evolution statement) from people about their political opinions, they generally understand those statements are those of the person making them. The overwhelming, rote, scripted chorus from the Ron Paul movement is “he didn’t really say that” or “he didn’t really mean that.” Who’s practicing “intellectual humility” now?

And for anyone in doubt about the source of Paul's opinion on Blacks, the environment, etc, look no further than Ron Paul's own new letters, written by Paul himself.

 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ron_Paul_newsletters
 http://wrongpaul.tumblr.com/post/16331619798/http-ronpaulnewsletters-blogspot-com

Ba-DUM.

The Anti-Semite Elephant in the Room: Libertarianism

 When I first started reading "truther" websites and forums, I noticed a high percentage of self identified Libertarians.  Knowing a few Libertarians IRF, I didn't think any thing of it.  This was when Libertarian meant socially liberal and fiscally conservative, with a wild streak of anarchism(that current Libertarians are pretending never happened).  They had well reasoned arguments, meant well, but were a touch naive about how real politics worked. And they never shouted "Liberty! Constitution!" as a final debate gambit.

None of these people are Libertarians today.  Either their understanding of the world grew or they learned how nuts Ron Paul was, and they were done.  I know a couple of self identified Libertarians now, one of which is simply uninformed.  The other is a lefty Libertarian, and lets be real: the LP couldn't care less about them. 

For a while on the forums almost everyone claimed to be "Libertarian".  Years later, with hindsight, one could see this was a safe strategy:  chose a political party that can mean anything, left or right, and the scammers could network with anyone without suspicion.  It was like when everyone claimed to be Buddhist.
 http://911blogger.com/news/2008-02-12/buddhists-question-official-reality-fri-8-feb-2008-002824-0000
 http://911blogger.com/news/2011-02-08/graeme-macqueen-911-context-resistance-radio#comment-245642
 http://911blogger.com/news/2006-10-29/constitution-party

 I don't believe that liberty is "God-given" -- I don't believe it has to be "given" by any entity for us to have it, and for it to be our inalienable right. (I am not, incidentally, an atheist -- I am a Buddhist, and Buddhism is a non-theistic religion, as you may know.)

 Whatever... I know a real Buddhist and this isn't one. 

 It was an non offensive theism that could mean anything, and was easy to fake.  In later years, they discovered Atheism, even easier to fake!  But if anything was the theism of the "Truth" movement, it was Libertarianism.  And it was the Libertarian Thinktanks who were responsible for much of the Anti-Semite propaganda in 911 truth.

Many criticisms of the "Truth" movement are valid, but usually incomplete.  The James Randi Forums are famous for picking theories to death, (a laudable activity), but barely scratching the surface of who invents them and the political goals behind them.  Part of it is cultural dissonance; there is a core of intellectuals who hold to "libertarian" ideals, and understandably are uncomfortable about what they'll find if the dig too far into the Libertarian party connections to the "truth" movement.  Understandable, but unwise, especially for those noting the proliferation of Anti-Semite theories in 911truth.  As it turns out, others have observed the Libertarian think tanks pushing Antisemitism, and the direct connection to the creation of 9/11 conspiracies:

Documenting Anti-Semitism Within the Libertarian Movement

Anti-Semitism is suspicion of, hatred toward, or discrimination against Jews for reasons connected to their Jewish heritage. The term was coined by non-Jews in late 19th century Europe as a more scientific-sounding term for Judenhass ("Jew-hatred"). In recent years, as the libertarian movement has grown, so has the anti-Jewish movement within this clan of activists supposedly concerned with promoting liberty and freedom for all of humanity.

The word libertarian comes from the root word "liberty" and refers to individuals who favor less government intrusion and are distrusting of government power. In the U.S., the libertarian movement, broadly speaking, consists of think-tanks, Ron Paul activists and organizations, and those affiliated with the Libertarian Party.

The anti-Semitism in the libertarian movement has manifested itself in all three categories at alarmingly high levels. It's difficult to imagine how any libertarian activist or scholar can envision success for their movement with such anti-libertarian sentiment and malicious bigotry in its midst.

We learn about "alibi Jews", like Davide Cole  and Gilad Aztmon:

The libertarian movement is ripe with Alibijude, or alibi Jews. Their job is easy: If someone is accused of anti-Semitism, the alibi Jew is brought in as a defending witness. In a movement with so few genuinely Jewish individuals, it is easy for the alibi Jews to get away with just about anything. They are free to bash Israel, defend anti-Semitism, promote the idea that a non-interventionist foreign policy would have been wise from 1939 to 1945, and misinform people about Jews and Judaism. It's an easy and worthwhile endeavor for the Alibijude, because they help anti-Semites get away with their crimes while warding off any anti-Semitic images within the libertarian movement.

And then we come to the main event: Blaming Jews for 911

Libertarian Think-Tanks and Anti-Semitism

Libertarian think-tanks are notorious for pushing an anti-Israel agenda. Of course, one can distrust the Israeli government while also holding no hard feelings toward Jewish individuals. But it is difficult to imagine that U.S. think-tanks would focus so much on Israel when one considers the small percentage that foreign aid constitutes in the United States federal budget. (Less than one percent of the federal budget goes toward foreign aid.) Three "libertarian" think-tanks do exactly that -- and much worse.

Justin Raimondo, the prime mover-and-shaker behind the antiwar.com website (and whose main source of income is antiwar.com), blames Israel for the attack of September 11, 2001. Of Jews, Raimondo says, "The savage mind, however, works differently. Shorn of what we would recognize as a moral sense, the savage glories in his capacity for pitiless violence. It's a survival mechanism: in his world, red in tooth and claw, instilling fear in your opponent means winning more than half the battle. As a survival strategy, it's like the one inmate who mutters ominously to himself while exhibiting all the characteristics of a violent psychotic: the other prisoners give him plenty of space because they think he's liable to do anything. So, too, in the case of the Israelis, who are signaling their willingness to go to any lengths in order to instill the fear of their wrath far and wide." He also calls Israel a racist theocracy and a "shitty little country".

What's interesting about this screed is how it project the right wing militia psychosis on an entire group of people.  Not even a nation, but the Jews. 

No discussion about Libertarianism and conspiracies can be complete without Ron Paul, who has himself contributed amply to the anti-Semite propaganda machine:

The Ron Paul Movement and Anti-Semitism

Savvy readers already know about Ron Paul's long-time ties to neo-Nazis and Holocaust deniers. It's no surprise, then, that the movement surrounding him has the same ties and conspiratorial ideas about Jews and Judaism. But the real question, asked by The New Republic's James Kirchick in 2011, is "Why Don't Libertarians Care About Ron Paul's Bigoted Newsletters?" Kirchick concludes that "the benefit of indulging in" the idea that the U.S. is on the verge of bankruptcy and collapse "is that it sets the stage for the arrival of a savior". Each libertarian think-tank, organization, or politician are setting themselves up to save the day. Conspiracy theories about the Federal Reserve, the bankers, Israel, and the Jewish Elders of Zion help fuel the narrative that the world is collapsing around us.

Ron Paul's long-time ally Justin Raimondo's problems with the Jews is outlined above. Another close associate of Paul, former chief-of-staff Lew Rockwell, now runs The Ludwig Von Mises Institute in Alabama. There, eager young students are indoctrinated in Austrian economics -- an anti-mathemics-based brand of economics that favors cultural conservatism, anti-interventionist foreign policy, and the gold standard. And Jew-bashing. The Ron Paul newsletters, approved by Paul and likely written by Rockwell, talk about Jewish conspiracy theories and Israel in newsletter after newsletter. Subsequently, these publications as well as fundraising letters from Paul were sent to mailing lists of the anti-Semitic, Holocaust-denying mail list of Willis Carto's tabloid, The Spotlight. Willis Carto is one of the most influential American anti-Semitic propagandists of the past 50 years. Mr. Paul has never acknowledged or apologized for what everyone knows to be the truth. Lew Rockwell was paid as a Ron Paul staffer from the late 1970s until at least the mid-1990s. He was the operations man behind Paul's efforts to demonize Jews and Israel. Additional specifics about Paul's anti-Semitic activities are provided here.

Ron Paul's organization, a (c)(3) educational group called the Campaign for Liberty -- whose Board of Directors is comprised of various Paul family members that financially benefit from its successes -- permits its users to promote anti-Jewish conspiracy theories at its website. Campaign for Liberty activist Clay Douglas has been promoting "The Protocols of the Elders of Zion", an anti-Semitic hoax purporting to describe a Jewish plan for global domination, at the organization's website since 2008.

It's like one pathetic train wreck of failure after another.  But not to people invested in these ideas.  Their goal has never been  "911 truth" or ending the FED.  And a winning third party is a pipe dream.

The cold fact is no third party is viable in the current political system.    It's a numbers game and the math is brutal:

If Party A  is  lefty  and   Party B is  righty 
Then Party C will split the vote of whichever party it has the most political similarity to.
Ergo, Party C will always help the main party with opposing politics to Party C win.

Maybe I'll make a cute little diagram later.  The point is in the current American political system, third parties will never win.  And to make a system where a third party would be viable, would require changes moving to instant run-off voting and extreme campaign finance reform.

These all smack of "socialism" ; the irony is no organization fielding third parties would go for this. In this situation they'd be defeated sounder than the already are.

So what's the point of fielding them?

To build  a base. In the case of the Libertarian party, a base for the far right.

It's not necessarily a base to vote for third candidates, though it's possible the brainwaves in the Libertarian thinktanks think so.   More likely they're just as aware of the mathematics and are cynically exploiting their base's ignorance.

There's also the money making aspect.  Funding from "money bombs", "donations" and other stunts
give the appearance of grassrootsyness.  And even if the have a handful of big donors, they can keep up the facade of being a legitimate party if they can point to donations from all the little people they scammed.

And there's the propaganda aspect.  They need an army of sheeple to spread these theories they invent in their super sekrit thinktank club houses.  And at the base of the propaganda is blaming Jews for...well, anything.

I don't agree with Chelm's final assessment, that the goal is the destruction of Israel:

Jewish libertarians or classical liberals -- or others who are pro-equal rights (pro-decency, really) should refrain from further participation in the libertarian movement. It actively works against Jews. It is not concerned about liberty for religious minorities; rather, quite the contrary. Moreover, there is little doubt that the modern libertarian movement is dedicated to the destruction of Israel.

Knowing these frauds as I do, the Libertarian propaganda is just one of many fronts to recruit and rally a fringe right base.  They are as dedicated to destroying Israel as they are to 911 "Truth" or "ending the FED".  In other words only as far as it serves their political agenda.  In the case of Israel, I doubt the people managing CATO or Von Mises would be happy if Israel disappeared: then they wouldn't have a target to rally the ignorant. 

That in no way diminishes the danger of regular folks, Jews or otherwise, who cross paths with a loon hyped up on these conspiracies.

A final note on the Chelm article:  More proof these toerags deliberately targeted the left antiwar movement to obscure their intentions and goals like many of the "truther" frauds:

antiwar.com

Granted it was the Bosnian war, but I guess if it worked then, they figured the "pretend to be antiwar" meme would work for pushing anti Semite propaganda around the Iraq war:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antiwar.com

The site was founded in December 1995, as a response to the Bosnian war. It is a 501(c)(3) nonprofit foundation, operating under the auspices of the Randolph Bourne Institute, based in Atherton, California. It was previously affiliated with the Center for Libertarian Studies and functioned before that as an independent, ad-supported website.^[2]

They even claimed to be singing Kumbaya with the left, though admittedly they're honest about being Libertarians:

 This site is devoted to the cause of noninterventionism, and we have many regular readers who are pacifists, leftists, "greens," and independents, as well as many on the Right who agree with our opposition to imperialism. But our own politics are libertarian: our opposition to war is rooted in the concept that war is the health of the state, as Randolph Bourne put it. With every war, America has made a "great leap" into statism. In 1952, Garet Garrett, one of the last of the Old Right "isolationists," said it well: "Between government in the republican meaning, that is, Constitutional, representative, limited government, on the one hand, and Empire on the other hand, there is mortal enmity. Either one must forbid the other or one will destroy the other." This is the perception that informs our activism, and inspires our dedication. Noninterventionism abroad is a corollary to noninterventionism at home.

The editors were active in the Libertarian Party during the 1970s; in 1983, we founded the Libertarian Republican Organizing Committee, to work as a libertarian caucus within the GOP. Today, we are seeking to challenge the traditional politics of "Left" and "Right." At present, none of the existing parties or activist groups offers an effective vehicle for principled libertarian politics. Yet, even in the absence of a party of liberty, we cannot abstain from the struggle. Since opposition to war is at the heart of our philosophy, and single-issue politics is the only avenue open to us, Antiwar.com embodies the politics of the possible.

Our dedication to libertarian principles, inspired in large part by the works and example of the late Murray N. Rothbard, is reflected on this site, and we make no bones about it. While openly acknowledging that we have an agenda, the editors take seriously our purely journalistic mission, which is to get past the media filters and make the truth about America's foreign policy as widely known as possible. Citing a wide variety of sources without fear or favor, and presenting our own views in the regular columns of various contributors, we clearly differentiate between fact and opinion, and let our readers know which is which.

People just didn't understand what kind of Libertarians they were and the fact fringe right Libertarians can't coexist with any leftist.