Jennifer Wynhausen walked into Pioneer Courthouse Square with a message
emblazoned on her black t-shirt: “9/11 is a (expletive) lie.”
Ah, yes, the T-shirt. The same one JW submitted to the Holocaust denying website nogw, IIRC.
Despite her controversial and outspoken stances on what she perceives as
federal government conspiracies and lies, leaders at Oregon’s
Department of Human Services have entrusted her for years to carry out a
vital role of government transparency. She coordinates reviews of child
abuse deaths.
There are not enough facepalms in the world. Firstly, this lying conspiracy hoor cannot logically believe in the existence of government conspiracies(at least she can't believe she's a target of them) because SHE WORKS FOR THE GOVERNMENT. Secondly...well, there is no secondly, because that's it. She doesn't believe in this garbage. OR she's completely out of touch with reality.
But maybe she's actually doing something useful for humanity...
A story published Sunday
by The Oregonian/OregonLive exposed the department’s delays, omissions
and failures to comply with state law since March 2017. The department
continues to withhold at least two child fatality reports from the
public.
Wynhausen has coordinated the
fatality reviews since at least November 2014. She was no longer listed
as coordinator in a September 2018 organizational chart. A department
spokeswoman said Wynhausen’s new job title was erroneous, but did not
specify why or say when, if ever, Wynhausen stopped coordinating
fatality reviews.
The question should be, did she ever start? As in, did she ever do this job, as in actually work, like a normal, non entitled, non racist white woman? the more one reads, JW career has all the markers of Affirmative Action/Welfare For Lazy White Racist Libertarians. JW is paid in excess of 80K a year to not investigate child deaths. Meanwhile, she's bitching on social media about the Messicans not paying taxes:
In response to a story about the economic impact of immigration in
September 2010, she wrote, “If they are earning so much money, buying
homes, etc, they should be paying taxes!!”
As I have recently reminded JW's moronic ex boyfriend, in my ample(as in excess of several gigabytes) archives of JW's sleazy conspiracy group, I'm sure there must be some screen captures/saved pages from Lazo's old forum of her praising Russo's "From Freedom to Fascism", a film that at it's core claims income tax is illegal "tyranny". So this is an interesting change in perspective.
It's as if Wynhausen has no real principles or beliefs, but is willing to flog any anti-government, racist idea to promote her reactionary, gun humping, Tea Bagger agenda.
The really sick thing is she's still exploiting a man who only got involved with 9/11 conspiracy theories because he genuinely believed the surviving widows were being treated unfairly. Unfortunately, like many good hearted souls preyed on by conmen (and conwomen) he is unable to see he's being played. Oh, and failed peace activist Cindy Sheehan, becoming problematic in 2005, then outright loony, last see blaming Israel for her son's death, makes an appearance:
“I’m totally going to steal these pictures,” Wynhausen wrote in a public
comment under the photos. “I got to meet two amazing people!!”
Who knows where those pics might end up....
From comments:
Bad Judgement:
Doesn't trust the gubmint, but sure loves that gubbmint pay check:
There are many more good ones: commenting on JW mental instability, disconnection from reality, etc. Even someone wailing on Faceplace that she might "lose her job!" They clearly underestimate the power of a White Racist's Alligator Tears of Woe. Its an act JW is adept at, explaining the baffling fact she's being paid 90+K to perform a job she's clearly not qualified for.
But the most clueless comment comes from someone completely snowblinded by JW act of a poor hapless innocent, being unfairly treated:
"Sham on Molly for attacking one of the most ethical and hardworking DHS employees..."
Oh dear. This one really did fall off the Turnip Truck. Let's share examples of JW's "most ethical" behavior:
Spreading lies about Val McClatchey faking the photo she took on 9/11:
Clearly this photo is falsified, which at the very least indicates that
she was complicit in a crime. So, I would expect her to be involved in
the cover up of that crime, so how is that harassment? Is it harassment,
questioning whether or not the photo is real? Or is questioning her
motives, financial or otherwise harassment? This woman has clearly
profited off of 911. Look at the skank, the evolution of her appearance...
I read what Killtown wrote about the photo, actually read it. That's
what people do when they are genuinely interested in learning or
uncovering the truth, they read all of the information and make an
objective decision on what is plausible and what is not. It seems
possible to me that the photo is altered, perhaps not by "Stooge,"
herself, rather by the FBI. Why would 3 FBI agents show up at her house
within a half an hour, confiscate her camera and her memory card? I
thought they had also taken her hard drive as well.
Thanks for the links. I see how Mrs. McClatchey talks about being
harassed, however I have yet to see where Killtown found her private,
personal information and published it for every conspiracy theorist to
start harassing her. I have seen where she, herself, posts her personal
information in order to for people to order copies of "The End of
Serenity."
(This is interesting because it seems to show Wynhausen does know the difference between personal information volunteered without coercion or fraud, and information acquired by deception and fraud. Just something to note. Also, while Lazo may not have fraudulently acquired Val's info, he did encourage his online goons to harass her.)
You are "not a researcher but an activist"??? This means you just follow your boyfriends blindly into troofdom?
Pretty much.
And that's not including sleazier activities like turning a blind eye to JW's Canadian friend "Ozzybinoswald" who was remixing conspiracy propaganda videos with creepy images of under-aged girls and stalking a man's autistic children....
Mark Fisher is better known among the 911 "truther" community as "logicfish".
Fisher was specifically a part of a sub community used by the creepiest of creeps to intimidate and threaten people, hoping to convince them "agents" were out to get them. Fisher's old blogger profile was littered with links and projects to WQ2RX, a video tag cipher invented by either Fisher or his long time mentor Spiney aka Andrew Kelly. (Later, in 2008, Fisher registered a WQ2RX domain, but the tag had already been used for months)
A list of Fisher's blogs follows; though many are just copycat themes Spiney used, there are titles (in italics) were shared by Spiney, :
Some of these projects were dedicated to helping Craig "Killtown" Lazo and friends get away with "murder"...or at least harassment and defamation. The WQ2RX brand was used by at least Fisher, Kelly, "Webfairy", Fred BSregistration and "Ozzybinoswald" aka Greg Thomson. The last is relevant because Thomson had the most and worst videos, a few which were reported for having "sexed up" images of preteen girls.
[For the record, according to one of "Ozzy" Thomson's former acquaintances claimed he was an "information clearing house" for "truther" projects. Thomson's story is he was sent batches of images/information and told to mix them up in videos and he never examined the contents closely. Even if this is true, Thomson is still responsible for the results of his "work".]
This was in the middle of the "Harley Guy" scam project,
http://911-harley-shirt-guy.blogspot.com/
which did not go well(link). Finally, in some desperate attempt at a rubber/glue strategy, Lazo got Fisher and Kelly to spam blogs and Facebook pages claiming his critics might be scientologists and paedophiles and stalkers. This one was set up under Fisher's name.
For reasons that will probably never be explained, Fisher and Kelly then embarked on an Internet Spam crusade claiming to "expose" paedophiles in their community(Hudderfield, United Kingdom) with the flimsiest of "proof".
It's bizarre and baffling. Perhaps they were trying to make their blogs viral to hide their rubbish in the digital noise? If so, they failed spectacularly. Someone did notice, and they were not amused.
A man made vile online claims about people he held a grudge by claiming they were paedophiles.
Now Mark Fisher has been ordered to be detained in hospital.
Fantasist Fisher, of Fenton Road, Lockwood, posted the damaging comments online.
One of his victims, a schoolteacher, has been unable to return to work because of the false allegations made by the 44-year-old
District Judge Michael Fanning told him: “You made harmful and utterly baseless allegations against a number of individuals.
“The allegations you made are a fantasy and in one instance you harmed the career of one of your victims.”
Fisher
was convicted after a trial of nine charges under the Malicious
Communications Act of updating a website with grossly offensive
articles.
He was found guilty of a further charge of harassment.
Oh, this does not look good for the conspiracy stalking crowd. It turns out there are consequences for spinning unfounded lies about people who never agreed to be part of a conspiracy freakshow. It get's better, er, worse:
The court heard that Fisher initially targeted one male victim with his lies.
Vanessa Jones, prosecuting, told Kirklees Magistrates’ Court:
“Mr Fisher published on a couple of blog sites and Facebook some
unpleasant information about this gentleman in relation to paedophile
involvement.”
Fisher put a picture of the victim on the social networking site with a link to the website linked to a known sex offender.
But Fisher claimed that on his page were the details of ‘suspected perverts’ living in Huddersfield.
Ah yes, the good ol semantics defence. It's a favorite of Lazo's ("It's suspected that Val's photo is fake") and casseia ("It's not a lie, it's my opinion.") Turns out in the real world, the legal system is not impressed by disingenuous semantics.
Fisher's target tried to resolve things like a normal person. I could have told him how that would have ended:
The
victim told Fisher that the allegations were false and asked him to
take the information off the site, which Fisher refused to do.
But what's interesting, and surprising, is some of Fisher's friends had tried an intervention...this hardly ever happens in the conspiracy scene:
Others who knew Fisher responded and told him they were not happy about him making these claims.
Mrs Jones said: “Four other people who knew Mr Fisher expressed their displeasure.
“They were added to the list that Mr Fisher felt were part of paedophile involvement.
Ouch, but not surprising to anyone who has observed the conspiracy Borg in action. If you aren't with them, you are against them. Needless to say the judge was not convinced:
Judge Fanning told him: “The allegations you made against them are a fantasy, linking them to paedophilia.”
He
said that some of the victims were wrongly linked to terrorism while
Fisher accused another of causing the death of her husband, when he was
killed by a tragic accident.
In Making the hospital order, the
judge said: “I am satisfied that you will continue to offend against
these individuals or cast your net wider to involve those against whom
you hold a grudge.”
But how did Mark Fisher go so far astray?
The Long Slide Into Conspiracy Fantasies and Mental Imbalance
Fisher didn't become this way over night. They say he's mentally ill and that could explain a lot:
The court heard that Fisher, who had no previous convictions, suffers from mental illness.
But I'm
hesitant to give Fisher that excuse. Fisher knew he was spreading lies
about people when he worked with Spiney on the WQ2RX project, and when he
helped spread Craig Lazo's blackmail stalking lies on Facebook and
sundry websites. So it's hard for me to imagine Fisher didn't know he
was lying about calling these people paedophiles.
I think it's more likely Fisher, much like Lazo, Thomson, and many other players in the online "truther" game, became habituated to shooting their mouths off about any crazy BS. Since they rarely were held accountable, they started to believe they were untouchable. Craig Lazo all but brags about it, posing disingenuous rhetoricals like, "If it's not true Val faked her photo why don't her friends defend her?" Lazo can't fathom the obvious: because she's warned them to stay out of it. Wynahusen isn't much better: "If 'killtowns' wrong, why hasn't Google removed his blog?", conveniently ignoring the well known fact contacting Google is a nightmare.
Well, she's not really ignoring it, is she? Lazo and Wynhausen know damn well how difficult it is to pursue a complaint with Google...that's why the worst of their lies about people are hosted on Google websites. Fisher was part of this strategy and was active so long it's possible his participation in craziness took it's toll.
Becoming the mask is always a risk for people pretending to be something they're not, even if they have good intentions. If they have malicious intentions, one can only wonder at the psychic toll over the years. The WQ2RX brand was conceived by Oct of 2007, along with dog4tree and other channels set up to spread it. Most people involved were active at Youtube and Livevideo.
Fisher's Youtube account is connected with Google+. His livevideo account was:
In early 2007 his Livevideo had a Mature Content Warning, shades of the porn problems to come. There are videos of 9/11 conspiracies, mixed with crop circle and UFO woo. By the end of 2007 September Clues was out, and being promoted like crazy in Fisher's likes, along with bizarre conspiracies about Robin Hood and Apollo 13.
By this time Fisher was well in an committed to the "woo" lifestyle. Even years later, after the demise of Lazo's 911movement forum, they kept a hand in.
Fisher's friend Kelly would post as Spiney once in the new "Clues" forum:
One blog is more obvious being full of WQ2RX and "Ozzy" videos:
http://911videomashupdates.blogspot.com/
A sample:
OzzybinOswald2 exposes impossible 9/11 helicopter fake FOX
From: bunny4carrot
Added: November 25, 2007
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dyttxUHcoXc
MEENA Wq2rx SEXY Tvfakery SAREE Ak1rd FCS Akørd NIPPLES Kv4ri
Added: November 25, 2007
Submitted By: rabbit8carrot to rabbit8carrot's Channel
The obsession with sex and porn themes mixed with the WQ2RX tag had legs and never really stopped.
For the record, I don't think it was "sex" per se, so much as the idea of tagging videos as sexy or porn related to get greater distribution. From a pure logical perspective it's not a bad plan, if all you're interested in is spreading videos like wildfire, regardless of quality or intent. The problem is, while yes, is you tag or title a video "911 fakery XXX Hot Babes want you NOW", while the video will get attention, it will only get attention from people looking for "XXX Hot Babes". No one clicking the video will have the slightest interest in the September 11th attacks or truther "theories". Once they fail to see HOT BABES, they go away.
Once Ozzy had a meltdown on Lazo's 911movement forum over this, when a member pointed this out. "Ozzy" ranted about how Nico was doing the work of fifty men or summat(confirming Nico had been part of the WQ2RX crew) and the member should just STFU. In hindsight this is all rubbish: The WQ2RX videos(a project most likely instigated by Fetzer) had no intention of being a medium to push "truth". Their sole purpose was to spread propaganda and lies as a creepy intimidation tactic. Members were supposed to either spam them and cheer the project on, or shut up.
No one wants to admit they knew Spiney and Logicfish now: In this archived Reality Shack thread, Simon himself pretends to think a photoshop of Mark Fisher is actually "Ozzy":
I may take my spaceship and land right in front of
the VALLEY FORGERY CON-ference HALL !!
This is a video I just found - apparently made by 'our enemies'...:
Star Trek: WQ2RX Enterprise
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GtXATrfC9HQ
Damn! I just LOVE these 'enemies' of ours... I always dreamt of taking a ride in the Star Trek spaceship...
And now I even get to be Simon S(p)hock !
ps:
I guess that's supposed to be KT in the foreground? Is that you in the
background, Ozzy, with the beard? If so, what a serene and endearing
face !
--------------------
http://www.septemberclues.info
From the screen of the video posted, it's rather obvious to anyone who knows Logicfish aka Mark Fisher, the bearded guy is Fisher, albeit a younger, less manic Fisher:
Remember, all these people knew each other at Livevideo and Craig Lazo's forum. Shack's movie was only promoted by a small fringe of truthers; he knew exactly who was photoshopped in that screengrab. These people are running a scam and Fisher was involved. And it is impossible to believe Fisher did not know this was a scam. For whatever reason, Fisher hitched his wagon to "Spiney" and never looked back.
Spiney and Logicfish
They had an old website called SEO Follow. It's dead now, but on their about page one could get some insight into the relationship between these two men:
Spiney & Logicfish have been geeky friends for – let’s just say a
‘long time’ with a combined experience of 50 years computing generally
& over 25 years professionally developing multimedia, software
applications, Content Management Systems & a myriad of websites.
What's interesting is "Spiney" Kelly was always the dominant part of the pair; Kelly would be the one to do the most Internet tough talk. But it was Fisher who registered, and was responsible for their domains. Fisher may have done most of the actual computer work, while Spiney took the glory.
The tone of the about page is almost certainly Kelly writing. Fisher is less bold even online. If it's true they've been friends for most of their lives, they could have had a codependent relationship where perhaps Fisher felt safe with big brother Kelly to look after him and give him direction. Such people have weak egos and soft ethical standards, if any. It's hard to imagine Fisher telling Spiney "no" and his actions certainly support his willing involvement in several questionable, if not outright unethical online projects, with no hint of objection:
2007-2009? WQ2RX stalking videos
2010-2011 Setting up a couple of Facebook stalking pages
2011 Believes in magical ways to make money online:
https://www.facebook.com/notes/mark-fisher/the-secrets-of-cash-blogging/10150202965521980
2011-late: Fisher was helping Kelly, help Lazo set up vindictive Facebook pages, calling for people to stalk Lazo's enemies, claiming in a great exercise of projection they used "blackmail and death threats to close down websites" and they have "joined pedo chat rooms" .
This group is gone, but there is a screen:
It's hard to be angry with Fisher. From his avatar he looks quite deranged and clearly is parroting Lazo's lies with Kelly's encouragement. None of the people who joined his group look like they have all their marbles either. Unfortunately, some crazies do become violent, hence the reporting and deletion of their page. The sick part is that of the two Spiney knows what he's doing and set Fisher up to take the fall. The really sick part is that Fisher, being emotionally dependent on Spiney, might not have cared.
But what happens when the dominant partner in a grifter gang dies?
KELLY
ANDREW
(SPINEY)
April 26, 2014.
Aged
45 years. Suddenly whilst at home with his partner Carayna Zyeustt,
Andrew Nicholas, only son of Edward and the late June Rose Kelly, much
loved and sadly missed. Funeral at Huddersfield Crematorium on Thursday,
May 15 at 10.00 a.m. Friends please accept this intimation.
The loss of a dominate party affects people differently. Some finally come out of their shell and take charge of their lives. Others collapse in on themselves and pass away soon after. But some take on the dominate traits of the deceased, though not necessarily with the same effectiveness. This appears to be the path Fisher has taken, to mimic his idol but without his idol's talent.
Kelly was able to harass people online for years without ever seeing the inside of a jail cell, much less a mental ward. Oh, he lost websites, he lost Facebook accounts, but Kelly was savvy: he distanced himself as far as possible from the end results of his actions via patsies. That's why all his website were registered in Mark Fisher's name. That gives the lawyers a nice merry-go-round. Fisher was too direct, perhaps impatient for the adrenaline rush he was used to. And he rushed straight into a mental ward for it.
What the future holds
From the article:
Fisher will be kept in hospital for an
initial six-month term. Upon his release he must comply with a
restraining order, banning him from contacting six named victims.
Fisher is also banned from posting any images or material about them online.
In
addition he is prohibited from maintaining the material already
published by him, meaning that any offensive posts will need to be taken
down.
The future for Mr. Fisher is uncertain. He's not only without his long time friend and mentor Kelly, he's also without the extended support network that reinforced Fishers belief in invincibility. This could be a good thing if Fisher's responsive to therapy. Without the conspiracy crazies filling his head with grandiose crazy talk, Fisher could see how wasted his life has been and cut himself off from the conspiracy Borg that took over and destroyed his life. He could make new friends, find sane computer nerds to socialize with. If Fisher wants to this could be a golden opportunity to turn his life around.
I am cautiously optimistic but also realistic. Most people in Fisher's situation have very little ego keeping them together. That's how they fell into their situation in the first place. Whether they did it for thrills or to belong or to lash out, they don't have the internal emotional resources to cope with stress and anxiety, and so they lash out at "faceless" targets online.
Since at least 2007 Fisher has been part of a toxic, manipulative conspiracy network that operates much like a cult. A person who has been involved with a predatory group for 8 years and has not noticed something is wrong, clearly cannot do this by themselves. Whether, even after intervention, they will be able to see the problem remains to be seen.
It is far more likely they will rally their defence mechanisms to avoid, deflect and project blame; make excuses like "free speech" and claim to be persecuted. For people like this confronting the fact they have wasted their lives for nothing is just too horribly painful to face. At least without help.
A bad sign already is the directive that "any offensive posts will need to be taken
down", presumably at the end of Fisher's treatment. I'm not sure why they shouldn't forcibly be taken down ASAP, perhaps as a condition of no further legal action against Fisher. That would be more than reasonable.
I hope for Fisher's sake, and frankly everyone else that encounters him, he's about to get the help he needs. Fisher is up for evaluation and possible release in October. I guess we'll find out then.
*************
Archived connections on Livevideo, other associations and commentary.
The Livevideo website died several years back, no one really knows why. However much evidence of the Activities of Fisher's associates remain in wayback:
Spiney(Andrew Kelly) : http://www.livevideo.com/spineyextra
Viewing his channel in wayback, he has a link to a blog whining about censorship on Livevideo. The first post implies
some videos got blacklisted. What? The guy has a thing for WQ2RX and
PORN and his videos got blacklisted? Poor baby. This is also where we
have a good inkling Kelly is an anti semite if the art for this blog is
an indication:
Shacks Livevideo channel: http://livevideo.com/socialservice
instructive statement from archive:
Sunday, June 10, 2007 at 3:04 PM
Important note : having read some
comments on well-known sites linking this research to various
organizations, I want to stress that :
I am not linked to any special
interests or, in fact, to anyone whatsoever. I'm a LONE researcher am
not affiliated to organizations of any kind. Of course, I have a few
very smart friends out there which have helped me through - you know
who you are, I love you all.
Now, if anyone questions the
authenticity of the TV footage used for this research - go to the 911
Chronology Sources Television Archive it's there for all to see :
http://www.archive.org/details/sept_11_tv_archive
BUT BE WARNED : the entire FOX5
helicopter-shot has been edited out and replaced with planeless shot
(only fireball) similar to CBS's - while commentary has remained
unaltered...
(We'll be looking for
the full clip of the "Harley Guy". And if it is there, it will prove
that anyone pretending to not know who Mark Humphrey is knew they were
creating a scam.)
Lazo's support an promotion of September Clues on his blog:
Her channel, now only in wayback,
promoted September Clues fanatically, even though she only had one
friend, "ewing2001". However a screenshot of her channel at another
time shows she was "friends " with Fisher's partner "Spiney":
Jennifer's participation seems to be gathering and feeding information in addition to boosting search results with "likes".
Keep in mind at all times the people involved with making and trying to
sell September Clues to the truther crowd knew they were pushing a
fraud.
Wynhausen and Lazo aren't the only
Libertarians who jumped on this bandwagon. Lew Rockwell, Rick Siegel
and Fred Smart are others; it was Smart who dragged "Webfairy"
into the truther con where she'd be exploited by Fetzer and others. The high percentage of Libertarian truthers in positions of influence implies a political "long con".
I
still don't see what Libertarians tangibly get out of this--money,
political capital, whatever--- but the Libertarian/fringe right
involvement pushing the theories is too well documented to dismiss. It's
possible they had a "plan" that never worked or panned out, or was
abandoned midway, leaving the participants to lunge about online like a
chicken with it's head cut off. And, like with real conspiracies and
crimes, not every detail will always be explained or make sense. But
this is a persistently baffling one. It may say less about their
craftsmanship at building a "long con" and more about the Libertarian
mindset's bias to grandiose and magical thinking, believing
they are just so special they'll get away with anything "just cuz".
stallion4: part of the WQ2RX crew at livevideo https://web.archive.org/web/20070613083959/http://www.livevideo.com/stallion4
...made a video called "An Angry Secret in the Lair of the Thermite Sniffers: WQ2RX"
The link, http://thehuddersfielddailyexaminer.magnify.net/ goes to a dead page but in wayback one can see it's yet another project of Spiney's spreading lies and WQ2RX rubbish.
Nico Ripped Off By Gary Welz' Cheesy WQ2Rx Thermite Posted 2007-10-18. Rated 9.1 by 1 person. No comments. Post a comment. OzzybinOswald2 wrote: Dog22Peach's weekly report:
http://www.thewebfairy.com/911 /home.htm SEPT 11 2001 WQ2RX MEDIA CELL MURDERED AMERICANS IN THE WORLD TRADE CENTER, not ATTA or United Flight 175.
[The only thing this Petros person is notable for at Truthaction is getting himself banned for trolling, at which his buddy "casseia" whines somewhere on the Internet:
I think for the sake of posterity it might be worthwhile to document
"the score" for the sake of people who don't know, because it's just so
patently outrageous -- the last outrage being the banning of Petros,
purely on the basis of his association with me or this site or perhaps
Col. Jenny's personal antipathy. YT's monster ego doesn't help.
The underlined text refers to a specific lie this individual tried to float in Aug 2007, though this comment is dated March 2008(points for persistence!), but that's another convoluted story. Suffice it to saw no one had any antipathy for Petrol, or "casseia" for that matter, until it was clear they were liars running a scam with the same people they were "denouncing". The sleazeball would go on to entertain White Supremacist supporters(Kevin Barrett) before being exposed as a conartist, which at this late date is a surprise to no one.]
The constant reference back to people in Craig Lazo's Portland group made it all but inevitable the WQ2RX garbage would be exposed as a scam created by Lazo's friends, including Mark Fisher, sooner rather than later. Perhaps the stupidest example was when Ozzybinoswald included in his videos requests for information directly addressing Craig Lazo's associates Ginny Ross and Steve Keller:
Just Google Ginny Ross and Craig Lazo...
Mark Fisher's Logicfish friendfeed account:
friendfeed.com/logicfish
The website was closed down April 9th, but a screen of his account, with other members of the WQ2RX crew survives:
Videos of related Police Investigation
Fisher has unwisely uploaded videos to his vimeo account of police investigating his home after his arrest last year, or, as Fisher prefers to call it, his "detainment". From the time stamps on the videos, Fishers trouble with law enforcement started in October of 2014.
He also has a video of the actual arrest...were the "meanie" coppers let him get his shoes before they take him to the station. Oh, and, Fisher makes a point of being "disabled". Whatever.
An internet troll who branded innocent people paedophiles and terrorists has been convicted of harassment.
Fantasist Mark Fisher, 44, posted damaging comments online about people he held a grudge against....
Yet another thing one really doesn't notice until years later: the best evidence debunking the more pernicious aspects of the JFK conspiracies have been out for several years now. Unfortunately people either don't know where to look, or they're not looking at all, having long since either accepted the conspiracy or given up on making any sense to it.
Well, wonder no more. In the last several years information has been available explaining many apparently mysterious aspects of the shooting. We are not including Holocaust Denying Assholes suggesting the driver shot Kennedy. No, the more prosaic ones, like the "magic bullet"
As it goes, the bullet's trajectory appears impossible to some as it would have t ziggzag or back track. See image :
But this is misleading because this was not the correct seating. The correct seating in the limousine was this:
Further more , the front seats were lowered so Kenndy could be seen better by the crowd, like so:
You'll also notice that Kennedy and Connally weren't sitting rigid and
facing forward like robots, as the conspiracy theorists suggest, but
were twisted in their seats and waving at the audience as though, like,
they were at a parade of some kind. Rearrange their bodies that way, and
the path of the bullet -- Oswald's bullet -- goes straight through them. Just like it should.
For many years, long after I’d rejected most of the conspiracy buffs’
claims, the “magic bullet”—as critics called it—remained the one piece
of the Dealey Plaza puzzle that I couldn’t fit into the picture; it was
the one dissonant chord that, in certain moods, made me think there
might have been two gunmen after all.
Then, in November 2003, on the murder’s 40th anniversary, I watched an ABC News documentary called The Kennedy Assassination: Beyond Conspiracy.
In one segment, the producers showed the actual car in which the
president and the others had been riding that day. One feature of the
car, which I’d never heard or read about before, made my jaw literally
drop. The back seat, where JFK rode, was three inches higher than the
front seat, where Connally rode. Once that adjustment was made, the line
from Oswald’s rifle to Kennedy’s upper back to Connally’s ribcage and
wrist appeared absolutely straight. There was no need for a magic
bullet.
I too bought into the JFK conspiracy, though more in a casual sense, like many people are non-practicing Catholics. There was no passion, just a cultural osmosis I'd been raised with that "something" was wrong with the Warren Commission. I never saw the Oliver Stone movie, but it's positive reviews seemed to vindict my acquired assumptions and I saw no need to look into it further.
It wasn't until the aforementioned Holocaust denier was caught mixed up with all sorts of 911 "Truth" frauds, that I started to wonder if the JFK theories were also invented hokum:
Fetzer has published dozens of articles critical of the Warren Commission's findings,[7] and has edited three books of studies by experts on the assassination of Kennedy.[13] He is reported to have become interested in the subject after watching Oliver Stone's JFK in 1991.[7] Conspiracy debunker Vincent Bugliosi
has described Fetzer as a "good and sincere" man and as "the editor of
the only exclusively scientific books... on the assassination".[13] He has also been reported to be "a familiar and controversial figure in the JFK research community".[7] According to Josiah Thompson, author of Six Seconds in Dallas, Fetzer has proffered theories considered "off the wall" by other assassination researchers.[14]
According to Fetzer, the CIA, the American Mafia, anti-Castro Cubans, Texasoilmen, the "military–industrial complex", as well as Lyndon B. Johnson, Richard Nixon, and J. Edgar Hoover, all may have been involved in a plot to kill the President.[13] He has asserted that approximately six gunmen were firing at Kennedy, and that the X-rays of Kennedy as well the Zapruder film were fabricated.[13][15] Maintaining that William Greer,
the agent driving Kennedy's limousine, deliberately stopped the vehicle
after the first shot to give the assassins a better target, Fetzer has
written that it was "such an obvious indication of Secret Service complicity in the assassination" that "had to be edited out" of Zapruder's film.[13]
Fetzer appeared as a guest on the MSNBC program Jesse Ventura's America
on the 40th observance of the Kennedy assassination. In response to
questions from the host and audience, Fetzer spoke about his findings
that the Zapruder film "had been massively edited" and that X-rays and
forensic evidence had been severely tampered with or withheld.[5]
If this Fetzer clown (a close associate of the lying fraud Craig "Killtown"Lazo btw) was involved in the JFK conspiracy community...could that mean some of the JFK conspiracies were just as dubious as his protege Judy Wood's "space beams"?
Then I heard of his ridiculous the Driver Did it Theory, and thought no more of it...still keeping an open mind that maybe something was off about the Kennedy assassination.
And then I find out Stone failed to research thoroughly the seating arrangements, which 100% match the "magic bullet" path.
Not enough derp in the world...
I feel for Mr.Stone. He made a poplar movie and one day he's going to have to say, "Oops, my bad", at least on that point.
Recently I've read another JFK book and have my own conclusions about the supposed conspiracy:
1. Oswald was an asshole and wife beater. Get that out of the way.
2. He had some fantasy he was very important in the Russian ex-pat circles he moved in. I'm sure they found him useful for their own reasons, but he was never considered an equal.
3. While he had shady, dodgy associates, many perhaps hostile to the US government, they appear to be the bourgeois wine sipping, smoking jacket sort. Certainly not people willing to risk their emigration status plotting an assassination, no matter what their politics were.
4. That said, framing of Oswald as a "lone nut" is misleading. He had a support group who tolerated and encouraged his radicalism...in theory. However there is no evidence they knew about or participated in the assassination.
And so the osmosis of my youth has been put to rest. There is no magic bullet...just a bullet. No conspiracy, except for the delusional visions of grandeur held by a wife beating misanthrope.
The JKF conspiracy, is used as "proof" they "fooled us before, so maybe that's how the planned to fool us about 9/11!!" This is part of why conartists truthers like "casseia" are very invested in pushing, or at least tolerating, the Moon Hoax, Holocaust Denial and other "woo". Not that they believe any of it. It's just a cynical method to control people's perceptions. A bonus is if you can get someone to fall for the Moon Hoax, JFK and Holocaust Denial and 911 truth for that matter become much easier to sell.
But now we can now stop beating the dead horse. There was no magic bullet because there was no magic.
Anti facists have been passing this article around that details elements of OWS and the mechanisms of "infiltration" from fringe right groups. Except that it's less infiltration after the fact and more they had their people in the planning groups from day one. It's not as blatent a scam as the truth movement, but the elements are there: let's build an ostensible progressive grassroots movement, the liberals will come, and we'll promote our sleazy agenda under the cover they give.
Not everyone was fooled, as one anarchist expounds, but enough people got caught up to make one cynical about the next allegedly leftist revolutionary movement.
One note of caution: the website Political Research, was a haunt of Chip Berlet, who was almost certainly in on the Kennebunkport Hoax. Mr. Berlet was oddly defensive when asked any questions about how he even knew about the hoax, and one owner of the SLC blog with a record of dishonest conduct was rather quick to push Tarpley's frame, that people were getting money from Berlet and the Ford Foundation. It seems Berlet's association with Political Research Associates has ended, so that's something.
Spencer Sunshine, Ph.D. (associate fellow) is a researcher and
activist. His research interests include U.S. white nationalism,
post-war fascism (particularly Third Position and European New Right
politics), left/right crossover movements, and left-wing antisemitism.
As an activist he has worked on issues regarding anti-fascism, police
misconduct, prisoner rights, global trade agreements, environmental
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@transform6789. The most successful mobilization on the Left in recent years—the
Occupy movement—had ambiguously defined enemies and used an organizing
model that was easily replicated. These strategies were key elements of
its success, but they also enabled a significant level of participation
by the Right. Though it is tempting to gloss over or deny that reality,
the Left would benefit from beginning to grapple with it.
Occupy Wall Street (OWS) has often been
portrayed as the Tea Party’s ideological mirror image: a left-wing
response to the global economic crises that began in August 2007.
Initiated with a tent city in Manhattan’s Zuccotti Park in mid-September
2011, spinoff “Occupations” soon spread across the United States and
then to cities across the globe. These protests, which targeted the
federal government’s cozy relationship with the banking interests that
caused the economic collapse, channeled the mounting anger of those most
devastated by the economic meltdown, especially debt-ridden students,
the unemployed, and people who lost homes in the subprime mortgage
crisis.
But this mainstream-media view tends to gloss over the involvement of
right-wing and conspiracist groups in Occupy. In the perception of many
participants, the Right’s presence was largely limited to a lone
homeless man who paraded antisemitic signs around Zuccotti, which became
the basis of a right-wing “smear” campaign. More recently, venture
capitalists like Tom Perkins have slandered Occupy, absurdly comparing
its attack on wealth inequality to the Nazi persecution of Jews.1Because
of this, many progressives plug their ears when they hear about
right-wing groups and Occupy. (In this essay, OWS refers to the New York
City occupation, while Occupy refers to the movement in general.)
Certainly, Occupy was always a largely left-leaning event. But
right-wing participation has been the norm rather than the exception
within recent left-wing U.S. movements—including the antiglobalization,
antiwar, environmental, and animal rights movements—and Occupy was no
exception.2Right-wing
groups inserted their narrative about the Federal Reserve into the
movement’s visible politics; used Occupy’s open-ended structure to
disseminate conspiracy theories (antisemitic and otherwise) and White
nationalism; promoted unfettered capitalism; and gained experience,
skills, and political confidence as organizers in a mass movement that,
on the whole, allowed their participation.
Ideally, none of these things should have happened. Advocates for
social justice need to assess the motivations, extent, and substance of
right-wing participation in Occupy—just as has been done with past
movements. Despite the painful feelings it might evoke, it is time for
this process to start.
The problem of finance capital and ambiguous enemies
The original call for OWS from Adbusters magazine said the
demonstrators themselves would decide on the “one demand” of the
occupation, but this never materialized. Instead, the eminently populist
slogan “We are the 99%” became their rallying cry. The one
percent—often assumed to be those whose household incomes were over
$500,000—was obviously associated with “Wall Street,” the focus of the
demonstration.3But
many people with that kind of income were not associated with Wall
Street at all. And, in any case, what exactly was Wall Street: the New
York Stock Exchange? Banks? Bankers? Global corporations? The Federal
Reserve? And who were the one percent: Crony capitalists specifically?
Capitalists generally? The rich? Political elites? The Bilderberg Group?
The Rothschild family? Jews? Or—as one popular conspiracy theorist had
it—our reptilian overlords?
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But in addition to this general, populist appeal for uniting the people
against the elites, there was one specific piece of common ground. While
few right-wing actors see capitalism as a system to be abolished, many
are harsh critics of finance capital, especially in its international
form. This critique unites antisemites, who believe that Jews run Wall
Street; libertarian “free marketers,” who see the Federal Reserve as
their enemy; and advocates of “producerist” narratives, who want
“productive national capital” (such as manufacturing and agriculture) to
be cleaved from “international finance capital” (the global banking
system and free-trade agreements).
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In Occupy the most common demand of the various right-wing and
conspiracy groups—especially those who openly called for Left-Right
unity—was for the abolition of the Federal Reserve. Whether this is an
issue actually shared by the Left, or just an attempt to get the Left to
support right-wing policies, is another question.
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The initial controversy over antisemitism
The Right’s participation was far from limited to a handful of
antisemites,but it is nonetheless true that Occupy’s attacks on finance
capital attracted many of them, since such attacks were easily
integrated into their fantasies of Jews controlling the banking
industry. (Rather than explicitly naming Jews as the villain,
antisemites often instead demonize a subgroup that they identify as
Jewish, such as Zionists, international bankers, neoconservatives, “the
Frankfurt School”—or Wall Street.) Adbusters, the magazine that initially sparked OWS, has an
especially troublesome past. Its editor and co-founder, Kalle Lasn,
published an article in 2004 criticizing neoconservatives by invoking
numerous antisemitic narratives. The article included a list of
prominent neoconservatives with marks next to the Jewish names.
Responding to widespread criticism, Lasn denied that he was antisemitic
but showed no understanding of why the narrative of the article was
offensive. More recently, the magazine has published articles by
antisemitic writer and musician Gilad Atzmon.5This certainly raises the question of whether Adbusters’s choice of Wall Street as a target may have been shaped by narratives influenced by antisemitism.
Some mainstream right-wing media attempted to discredit OWS as being primarily antisemitic from the outset.
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The result was that many Occupy protestors on the Left felt that they
were being unfairly “smeared” as antisemites by the mainstream Right in
an attempt to discredit the movement as a whole, and, furthermore, that
these claims were without merit.9 This
fear of subversion created an atmosphere of denial and a general
consensus that there was no involvement in Occupy by those further to
the Right than Ron Paul. Right-wing and conspiracist participation in Occupy was nonetheless
real, and it involved more than 20 groups, prominent figures, and media
outlets. These included Ron Paul supporters, Alex Jones, Oath Keepers,
David Icke, We Are Change, Tea Party members, National-Anarchists,
Attack the System, the Pacifica Forum, American Free Press, LaRouchites, Counter-Currents,
the American Freedom Party, American Front, David Duke, the American
Nazi Party, White Revolution, and others. (A detailed account of their
participation is available separately in my essay, “Twenty on the Right
in Occupy.”)10Their
involvement included attending planning meetings, taking part in the
encampments, making appeals directed to the Occupiers, and co-opting
online resources. They fell into four overlapping categories:
anti-Federal Reserve activists, conspiracy theorists, antisemites, and
White nationalists/neo Nazis.
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The “End the Fed!” factor and the conspiracy theorists
As Occupy Wall Street burgeoned, Ron Paul was campaigning for the
2012 GOP presidential nomination. Although there was no obvious
mechanism organizing their participation, Paulists were at the OWS
planning meetings, and they remained a fixture in the movement and
appeared at almost all Occupations, though they were usually a small but
vocal minority.
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The ambiguity of Occupy attracted a substantial number of Paul’s
supporters, who in turn attracted a fair amount of media coverage for
themselves. They gained general traction within Occupy because of their
objection to the Federal Reserve’s bailout of the major banks after the
financial collapse, and sometimes focused on its role in the subprime
mortgage crisis. Counterintuitively for many, the lesson of the crisis
for Paulists was the need for less—not more—federal involvement in the
banking system.
Many others who wanted to abolish the Federal Reserve also became
involved in Occupy; most supported Paul’s candidacy. Alex Jones, one of
the most popular U.S. conspiracy theorists (although not a consistent
supporter of Occupy), attempted to crash the movement by calling for a
national event on Oct. 6, 2011, to “Occupy the Fed.” Jones said that,
contrary to media portrayals of Occupy as left-leaning, “The people on
the ground … understand the Federal Reserve is the central organization
empowering this world government system. This is a revolt against banker
occupation.”12 At the same time, the Oath Keepers organization, in concert with
Jones and others, concocted a national push to insert “End the Fed!”
rhetoric into Occupy under a call to “Occupy the Occupation!” (Oath
Keepers, which holds armed marches, recruits current and former military
and law enforcement employees who swear to “uphold the Constitution,”
and is driven by conspiracies about the coming One World Government.) It
also helped establish an encampment in Occupy Los Angeles and attempted
to recruit there.13 Another Fed critic was David Icke, known for his metaconspiracy
theory that the global elite are descendants of reptilian aliens who
seek to enslave humanity—a story that weaves in classic antisemitic
narratives. His “Essential Knowledge For A Wall Street Protestor” video,
which promotes anti-Federal Reserve and related economic conspiracies,
has about 350,000 views. He also made an hour-long “ad-lib documentary”
in Zuccotti Park just after the encampment was evicted by authorities.14Icke’s followers were active in both U.S. and U.K. Occupations. Other conspiracists who worked in Occupy include We Are Change (WAC),
an international 9/11 “Truther” group. Luke Rudkowski, the group’s
founder, is a prolific video blogger and is well-known for his
paparazzi-style interviews. On site at OWS from the first day, he did
extensive video coverage at Zuccotti Park and is also featured in David
Icke’s videos.
Members of WAC New York City, a splinter faction, were also active in
OWS, including Danny Panzella, a Tea Party activist who ran for state
office in 2010. Even before OWS, Panzella organized demonstrations
against the downtown Manhattan Federal Reserve, and he worked hard to
refocus Occupy on an “End the Fed!” agenda. He appeared on the Fox News
show Freedom Watch, in one of a number of the show’s broadcasts that encouraged libertarians to attend Occupy events.15Other
members of the group who worked with OWS included Craig FitzGerald, a
“National-Anarchist” who promotes Holocaust denial and endorses White
separatism.
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Online, antisemites have continued to be connected to Occupy
projects. The most popular is an imposter Facebook page that mimics the
“real” main one—and posts blatantly antisemitic content. It has
attracted nearly 650,000 followers. (By contrast, the page affiliated
with the organization that arose from the Zuccotti encampment has fewer
than 500,000 followers.) It is unclear who the secretive administrators
of the imposter site are, or why it became so popular. Attempts to
remove it have so far been unsuccessful.17
One of the Far Right’s most enthusiastic Occupy champions was the American Free Press,
an antisemitic weekly newspaper that is heir to Willis Carto’s media
empire. It promoted Occupy even before the initial action, and for
months it printed numerous articles supporting the movement, including
firsthand reporting from various Occupations.18
Lyndon LaRouche’s Far Right sect was initially involved in OWS. It
has long pushed for restoring Glass-Steagall, a New Deal-era act that
limited the kinds of investments that banks could make, which was
repealed in the late 1990s. Many believe that it would have prevented
the housing crisis had it remained in effect. During Occupy, two bills
were in Congressional committee that would have restored its provisions,
and it was a priority for many Occupy protestors on the Left, as well.
LaRouche’s followers were active in the OWS planning meetings, where
Glass-Steagall’s restoration was one of six initial proposals for the
never-realized “one demand.”19LaRouche’s organization even claimed credit for making its reinstatement “a leading demand of the movement.”20 Staff at Counter-Currents,
a leading U.S. publisher of intellectual fascism and White nationalism,
claimed to have attended the San Francisco and Oakland occupations, and
they described the events as a valuable experience
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The most prominent figure on the Far Right to endorse Occupy was
David Duke, a former Republican state representative from Louisiana and
an elder statesman of the U.S. White nationalist movement. In a video
from October 2011, “Occupy Zionist Wall Street,” Duke denounced the
“Zionist thieves at the Federal Reserve” and “the most powerful criminal
bank in the world, the Zionist Goldman Sachs, run by that vulture-nosed
bottom feeder, Lloyd Blankfein.” The video has received more than
100,000 views to date. Duke later wrote on the White supremacist web
forum Stormfront that “OWS is an opportunity. … Grab this opportunity!”22 White nationalists also participated in some of the movement’s less
high-profile iterations, such as Occupy Indianapolis (OI). Matt Parrott
of Hoosier Nation—the local branch of the White nationalist American
Third Position Party, now called the American Freedom Party—attended OI,
and made a video interviewing participants. He wrote: “Our experience
was peaceful and positive, affirming my suspicion that the majority of
the Occupy Indianapolis attendees were fed up with the same corporate
and federal abuses the majority of the Tea Party protesters are fed up
with.”23His colleague “Tristania” [Nazi lover and Libertarian operative Jaenelle Antas] posted a comment on Stormfront
saying that “it was a very good opportunity for outreach” and that
“it’s about cherry picking people from those audiences and recruiting
them to our side.”24
[That is a nutshell is what the "truth" movement con was for--recruiting people from the left to push a Nazi agenda]
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Why did they participate?
It is a mistake to view these right-wing groups and people as
“infiltrating” Occupy, since in some cases they supported and helped
organize it even before it started. Others were simply participating in a
demonstration that loudly proclaimed that it was open to everyone and
refused to define even its most basic concepts or demands.
Yet some on the Right did view their work as intentional
co-optation. This is an intrinsic problem with the “franchise activism”
model, or the practice of setting up a name and format that anyone can
adopt and act under. While it allows for ease of replication and
flexibility in action—one of Occupy’s great strengths—it also allows a
variety of political visions to be pursued under its banner. For
example, almost no mechanisms are available to deem the “imposter”
Facebook page as illegitimate in relation to the “real” one.
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The point it is not so much that the Left was significantly damaged by
the Right’s presence in Occupy—though its presence did open the movement
up to attacks in the mainstream media, which wasted the time and effort
of organizers while turning off potential supporters. The deeper
problem is that right-wing groups benefited from the Left’s willingness
to give them a stage to speak from and an audience to recruit from.
[The problem with any "big tent" strategy in a nutshell]
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As a result, the involvement of right-wing groups in Occupy raises
questions about the dilemma of creating a movement that is open to
“everyone” but must exclude certain elements if it is to avoid becoming a
forum for right-wing populist protest. The basic format of the
demonstrations—a populist attack on finance capital with ambiguous
formulations—harmonized quite well with the political vocabulary and
framework of the Right and conspiracy theorists.
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Are there any practical steps, then, that activists on the Left can take to minimize participation by the Right? The administrators at the OccupyWallSt.org forum, the main online
location of internal discussions, took one small step after they were
deluged by conspiracy theorists and Far Right propagandists. In October
2011, they banned anyone who posted about Icke, LaRouche, Duke, or
Jones.31 A more proactive first step would be to endorse an anti-oppression
platform at the very start, such as the one created at Occupy Boston.
Unlike the relatively vague statement from Zuccotti, Boston’s statement
explicitly named the types of oppression that it opposed, including
White supremacy, patriarchy, ageism, homophobia, transphobia, anti-Arab
sentiment, Islamophobia, and anti-Jewish sentiment.32 A member of the Hoosier Anti-Racist Movement pointed out that if such
a platform had been in place in Occupy Indianapolis, when racist
sentiments were expressed towards people of color, there would have been
an existing agreement to point to—and a basis for asking the larger
group to intervene—rather than relying on nonexistent cooperation from
the majority of the largely White participants. The HARM member also
said that if racists had been confronted and expelled from the physical
occupation, they likely would not have posted a positive video of their
experience, felt welcome to continue to participate in the group’s
social media, or written about their warm reception.33Not taking a proactive stance against antisemitism at Zuccotti led to
significant bad press and much time and energy invested—often by Jewish
participants—in putting out fires.
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[From the DUH files. Let's see if the next mass left movement learns from Occupy's mistakes.]
