Robbie Martin aka videohoax behind Dishonest Creepy Trolling

No, I'm not "exposing" Mr. Martin...he  "exposed" himself.

A little back ground...

Back before I understood the 911 Truth gig was a scam, I wrote a piece published at 9/11 Blogger  titled:  "Heroes: The Metaphor and Evolution in 911 Activism Part 1" .  The commenter "videohoax", a dishonest troll, commented very strangely. One can see the original post here, where the user link is :

http://911blogger.com/users/videohoax

Now if one goes to that URL, one will be sent to Robbie Martin's profile:

Robbie Martin

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8 years 23 weeks

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And sure enough, if one goes to the ghostpage of the blog, http://911blogger.com/node/19332  , there he is.

Comparison :

 I had no idea my troll was Abby Martin's brother.  Oh, yeh, it's that Robbie Martin:

Iraq Beheading Video Hoax Press Release - Vanderford ...
videohoax.ctyme.com/
This is the first episode of Media Roots radio with hosts Abby and Robbie Martin. First we introduce each other and explain our personal political awakenings ...

So "videhoax" is a reference to the belief the Iraq beheading video is fake.  And this guy thinks it's smart to play creepy games on the Internet while his sister is exploiting a mentally unwell woman to push the conspiracy theories. That looks more and more like funding for a lifestyle...

This is exploitation, pure and simple.  If Martin was a real journalist, she'd have done her research on Lindauer and discovered some disturbing things:

 She was jailed for about a year but was released from custody in 2006 after another judge ruled that the government couldn't force her to be medicated for her delusions so she could stand trial.

In agreeing with the psychiatrist's finding, Preska noted the defendant once stuffed tissues into her mouth when she was admonished not to speak out during a hearing without consulting her lawyer.

 Martin might also become aware Lindauer was unable to answer questions put to her by the Occupy community:

  2 points by SLindauer (12) 3 years ago

I was fulfilling the role usually handled by diplomats. I would communicate messages back and forth between U.S> Intelligence & Libya/Iraq. The Arab govts greatly appreciated my work at the U.N. against sanctions, and I was well known on the Security Council. Whether they liked my politics depended on their position on sanctions, but I was well known there. It's only the American public that was ignorant of what I had done for years.
When the CIA got warnings about 9/11, in April & May of 2001, I was ordered to deliver threats of War to Iraq's diplomats at the United Nations-- in the event that Iraq discovered intelligence about the conspiracy & failed to pass it back through my back channel. I was instructed to say the threat originated, and I quote "at the highest levels of government above the CIA Director and above the Secretary of State." That was the exact wording.
The Bush White House was already setting up Iraq. Of course Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11. Again, even if you're tired of 9/11, you've got to know what actually happened, so that you can understand why the War on Terror has been a public fraud to exaggerate White House & Congressional performance on national security. You can't fight back without the facts. You don't need all the details about 9/11 to do that. But you have to know that it was an act of public deception in total. The whole thing was a con job on the American public.

  1 points by Democracydriven (658) 3 years ago

Thanks for the response Susan but you forgot to answer my questions.
What exactly is a back channel?
Who were you actually working for and who was paying your expenses?
How did you end up in this back channel position?
I am really curious as to how somebody could end up in such a influential position.

After three years, no response.  That by itself suggests Lindauer was being "handled" or coached by one of the frauds.  If she was doing this on her own, she'd have been allowed to ramble until she was banned.  Her coach probably noticed this was not a community that would swallow tin foil easily. 

But that's idle speculation.  What isn't speculation:  it's obvious that Lindauer is not credible.


I've written before I thought Abby Martin was being played by Russia Today.  I'm forced to go farther and conclude Martin is not a journalist, serious or otherwise,  but is a Libertarian opportunist.  Bringing us to her brother, dear Robbie.

Both support Ron Paul, even years after being proven beyond a shadow of the doubt, Paul is a fringe rightwing loon who hobnobs with Nazi sympathizers and made millions publishing his racist newletters. Newsletters Lew Rockwell, another Libertarian "truther" profited from:

In 1984, as he left Congress, Paul also set up Ron Paul & Associates (RP&A), with his wife and daughter and his former congressional chief of staff, Lew Rockwell. The next year, RP&A began publishing several publications including The Ron Paul Investment Letter, The Ron Paul Survival Report, and The Ron Paul Political Report. By 1993, RP&A was earning $940,000 per year.

Yet Martin and Martin are proud "Voices of Liberty, Powered by Ron Paul":

Robbie Martin - Voices of Liberty, Powered by Ron Paul www.voicesofliberty.com/bio/robbie-martin/
Sep 9, 2014 - Robbie Martin. http://www.mediaroots.org. Co-host of Media Roots Radio with Abby Martin. Founder of RecordLabelRecords.org. Writer for ...

This would be laughably hokey, except for the fact that Libertarian Liberty Loons are almost always pushing a hidden racist, reactionary, agenda.

Not hard to find.  Either these two intrepid "journalists" are too incompetent to discover this on their own, or, much more likely, they know they're part of a dishonest propaganda machine connected to sleazy racist frauds. 

Let's go back to dear, dear Robbie's comments on my blog and see what the point of them could be.

  i feel sorry for whoever

i feel sorry for whoever read that rant!

Submitted by videohoax on Tue, 02/10/2009 - 11:48am

Well!  I never!

But seriously, Robbie aka VH seems to be trolling for discouragement by being dismissive and bitchy.  Little did he know, had he simply been honest about being knowingly involved in a right-wing racist fraud, I would have fled the so called "movement" a long, long time ago.  

But Robbie wanted to keep that under his hat.  Not only that, but he was keenly interested in recruiting leftists to the cause.

  i think with the right

i think with the right marketing push and distribution chain this film could get just as popular as some of the recent liberal/left leaning documentaries like Freedom to Facism, Why we Fight, and Who killed the electric car. I wonder what the disinformation people are doing beyond these initial screenings. I firmly believe we could see something like this at sundance or even cannes
thoughts?

videohoax on Fri, 09/08/2006 - 5:53pm.

But when he knew he was talking to a left liberal he's dismissive and bitchy?  He's doing it wrong.

Of course the real reason was, by this time, those wittingly involved in the truther fraud has sussed out I would never push Ron Paul, would never let Holocaust denial slide, would never swallow any "red pills".  Robbie/videohoax wasn't the first passive/aggressive "troll" trying to tell me, via a code so obscure Alan Turning would be at a loss, that I was unwelcome.  As I've said before, these people have no one to blame but themselves:

The problem with using left political rhetoric, slogans and ideas is, um...well, the obvious: they set themselves up to get leftists interested in what they had to say.  And if they set up their con well(and for several years they did), those leftists are going to get involved and expect them to walk the lefty anti-racist talk.  And they'll be very unhappy when the movement "leaders" refuse to denounce, and kick out the racists(Barrett, Fetzer, Bollyn, Thorn, Dice, Tarpley, etc, ad nausum).   

Someone didn't think that one through.

Now, with Robbie's wee correction to his 911blogger account, I'm aware of yet one more fraud to add to the list.  A few searches will show his sister is promoted on this website:

http://mycatbirdseat.com/2014/06/hillary-clinton-2016-a-recipe-for-endless-war/

My Catbird Seat June 18, 2014 1
Abby Martin calls out former Secretary of State Hilary Clinton over her lucrative speaking tour in the run up to the 2016 presidential elections as well as outlining the former first lady’s corporate ties

On the same website, Merlin Miller is a contributor:
http://mycatbirdseat.com/2014/05/traitors-in-our-government-allegiance-to-israel/

Traitors in our Government Allegiance to Israel

Merlin Miller May 10, 2014 4 There's a fifth column in America. A Trojan Horse within our laws, composed of dual citizens and foreign nationals.

 Merlin Miller is a racist with direct ties to the White Supremacist American Freedom Party.

This disgusts me to no end.  Of course Robbie and Abby will plead they have no control over who supports their stuff, and how unfair they're being picked on here, "guilt by association", etc.   But maybe they should have thought about that before claiming to be "powered by" a racist scumbag like Ron Paul.

Mind, I would have never known that I was the focus of Robbie's attention if the owners of 911blogger had deleted my account and comments because I do not want anything I've said going to support what is now obviously a fraud.  That request was made some time ago.  I would never have noticed who my troll was if they had been responsive.  Maybe the Martins would like a wee chat with the 911blogger owners about that....

And the owners are perfectly capable of removing blogs/comments/accounts.  For instance, they've removed the only one I left live...about how Craig 'Killtown' Lazo is friends with Lew Rockwell, Ron Paul's right hand man, proving the truther fraud goes to the top of the Libertarian Party:

If this is it....Part 5- “Killtown”, Lew Rockwell and the Ludwig von Mises Institute

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Showing the "never delete" policy is a lie and Keogh and Orangatan are hypocrites.  I suspect it was one comment in particular they found troublesome:

Possibly the most important message in this blog--

http://thinkprogress.org/2007/12/26/ron-paul-95-percent-of-black-men-are...
Indeed, it is shocking to consider the uniformity of opinion among blacks in this country. Opinion polls consistently show that only about 5% of blacks have sensible political opinions, i.e. support the free market, individual liberty, and the end of welfare and affirmative action…. Given the inefficiencies of what D.C. laughingly calls the “criminal justice system,” I think we can safely assume that 95% of the black males in that city are semi-criminal or entirely criminal.
“But, whoever actually wrote them, the newsletters I saw all had one thing in common: They were published under a banner containing Paul’s name, and the articles (except for one special edition of a newsletter that contained the byline of another writer) seem designed to create the impression that they were written by him--and reflected his views. What they reveal are decades worth of obsession with conspiracies, sympathy for the right-wing militia movement, and deeply held bigotry against blacks, Jews, and gays. In short, they suggest that Ron Paul is not the plain-speaking antiwar activist his supporters believe they are backing--but rather a member in good standing of some of the oldest and ugliest traditions in American politics.”
“To understand Paul’s philosophy, the best place to start is probably the Ludwig von Mises Institute, a libertarian think tank based in Auburn, Alabama. The institute is named for a libertarian Austrian economist, but it was founded by a man named Lew Rockwell, who also served as Paul’s congressional chief of staff from 1978 to 1982.”
“The politics of the organization are complicated--its philosophy derives largely from the work of the late Murray Rothbard, a Bronx-born son of Jewish immigrants from Poland and a self-described “anarcho-capitalist” who viewed the state as nothing more than “a criminal gang”--but one aspect of the institute’s worldview stands out as particularly disturbing: its attachment to the Confederacy.”
And

Now I must regretfully caution all 9/11 truth activists of African descent, or who identify as African descent or who LOOK LIKE they could be of African descent: there are bono fide racists(er, supporters of “the Confederacy”) operating in 9/11 truth and we know how dangerous racists can be. Under no circumstances let anyone manipulate you into surrendering your anonymity unless it is your informed decision.

http://coljennysparks.blogspot.com/2010/06/if-this-is-itpart-5-killtown-...

Submitted by Col. Jenny Sparks on Wed, 06/02/2010 - 5:29pm.

Now you have to think why would anyone who is not a racist want to hide proof of racists in the 911 truth movement?

It's all good...anyone can still read that blog here:

 http://coljennysparks.blogspot.com/2010/06/if-this-is-itpart-5-killtown-lew.html


As for Robbie Martin aka videohoax, I should feel sad for him wasting his life on this fraudulent conspiracy crap.

Then I remember he almost certainly knows it's a front to organize the fringe racist right.  He is likely one of the parties behind the heavy Russian webtraffic, here and here, as his Facebook page has him actually living in Russia:

https://www.facebook.com/FluorescentGrey

• Podcast & Video Producer, Writer at Media Roots

  1953 to present

   
• Lives in Molokanskiy, Orenburgskaya Oblast', Russia

In any case, it's a lesson in how not to do diplomacy.  If Robbie's someone's useful idiot, he might consider dropping the gig.

Maybe the next time Robbie thinks about luring leftists into a fringe right propaganda machine just so he can try to bully them when they don't play ball, he'll think twice.

But I doubt it. The grandiose entitlement of "truther" frauds seems without end....



For more on the bankrupt toxicity of the Libertarian Party read this great article:

What's wrong with libertarianism

The Right Hand of Occupy Wall Street

Anti facists have been passing this article around that details elements of OWS and the mechanisms of "infiltration" from fringe right groups.  Except that it's less infiltration after the fact and more they had their people in the planning groups from day one.   It's not as blatent a scam as the truth movement, but the elements are there:  let's build an ostensible progressive grassroots movement, the liberals will come, and we'll promote our sleazy agenda under the cover they give. 

Not everyone was fooled, as one anarchist expounds, but enough people got caught up to make one cynical about the next allegedly leftist revolutionary movement.

One note of caution: the website Political Research, was a haunt of Chip Berlet, who was almost certainly in on the Kennebunkport Hoax.   Mr. Berlet was oddly defensive when asked any questions about how he even knew about the hoax, and one owner of the SLC blog with a record of dishonest conduct was rather quick to push Tarpley's frame, that people were getting money from Berlet and the Ford Foundation.   It seems Berlet's association with Political Research Associates has ended, so that's something.

Excerpts relevant to the "truth movement" fraud are quotes below.  Read the entire article at the following link:  http://www.politicalresearch.org/2014/02/23/the-right-hand-of-occupy-wall-street-from-libertarians-to-nazis-the-fact-and-fiction-of-right-wing-involvement/#

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The Right Hand of Occupy Wall Street: From Libertarians to Nazis, the Fact and Fiction of Right-Wing Involvement

By Spencer Sunshine, on February 23, 2014

Spencer Sunshine, Ph.D. (associate fellow) is a researcher and activist. His research interests include U.S. white nationalism, post-war fascism (particularly Third Position and European New Right politics), left/right crossover movements, and left-wing antisemitism. As an activist he has worked on issues regarding anti-fascism, police misconduct, prisoner rights, global trade agreements, environmental issues, and bisexual and queer politics. Follow him on Twitter at @transform6789.
The most successful mobilization on the Left in recent years—the Occupy movement—had ambiguously defined enemies and used an organizing model that was easily replicated. These strategies were key elements of its success, but they also enabled a significant level of participation by the Right. Though it is tempting to gloss over or deny that reality, the Left would benefit from beginning to grapple with it.

Occupy Wall Street (OWS) has often been portrayed as the Tea Party’s ideological mirror image: a left-wing response to the global economic crises that began in August 2007. Initiated with a tent city in Manhattan’s Zuccotti Park in mid-September 2011, spinoff “Occupations” soon spread across the United States and then to cities across the globe. These protests, which targeted the federal government’s cozy relationship with the banking interests that caused the economic collapse, channeled the mounting anger of those most devastated by the economic meltdown, especially debt-ridden students, the unemployed, and people who lost homes in the subprime mortgage crisis.

But this mainstream-media view tends to gloss over the involvement of right-wing and conspiracist groups in Occupy. In the perception of many participants, the Right’s presence was largely limited to a lone homeless man who paraded antisemitic signs around Zuccotti, which became the basis of a right-wing “smear” campaign. More recently, venture capitalists like Tom Perkins have slandered Occupy, absurdly comparing its attack on wealth inequality to the Nazi persecution of Jews.¹ Because of this, many progressives plug their ears when they hear about right-wing groups and Occupy. (In this essay, OWS refers to the New York City occupation, while Occupy refers to the movement in general.)
Certainly, Occupy was always a largely left-leaning event. But right-wing participation has been the norm rather than the exception within recent left-wing U.S. movements—including the antiglobalization, antiwar, environmental, and animal rights movements—and Occupy was no exception.² Right-wing groups inserted their narrative about the Federal Reserve into the movement’s visible politics; used Occupy’s open-ended structure to disseminate conspiracy theories (antisemitic and otherwise) and White nationalism; promoted unfettered capitalism; and gained experience, skills, and political confidence as organizers in a mass movement that, on the whole, allowed their participation.
Ideally, none of these things should have happened. Advocates for social justice need to assess the motivations, extent, and substance of right-wing participation in Occupy—just as has been done with past movements. Despite the painful feelings it might evoke, it is time for this process to start.

The problem of finance capital and ambiguous enemies

The original call for OWS from Adbusters magazine said the demonstrators themselves would decide on the “one demand” of the occupation, but this never materialized. Instead, the eminently populist slogan “We are the 99%” became their rallying cry. The one percent—often assumed to be those whose household incomes were over $500,000—was obviously associated with “Wall Street,” the focus of the demonstration.³ But many people with that kind of income were not associated with Wall Street at all. And, in any case, what exactly was Wall Street: the New York Stock Exchange? Banks? Bankers? Global corporations? The Federal Reserve? And who were the one percent: Crony capitalists specifically? Capitalists generally? The rich? Political elites? The Bilderberg Group? The Rothschild family? Jews? Or—as one popular conspiracy theorist had it—our reptilian overlords?

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But in addition to this general, populist appeal for uniting the people against the elites, there was one specific piece of common ground. While few right-wing actors see capitalism as a system to be abolished, many are harsh critics of finance capital, especially in its international form. This critique unites antisemites, who believe that Jews run Wall Street; libertarian “free marketers,” who see the Federal Reserve as their enemy; and advocates of “producerist” narratives, who want “productive national capital” (such as manufacturing and agriculture) to be cleaved from “international finance capital” (the global banking system and free-trade agreements).

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In Occupy the most common demand of the various right-wing and conspiracy groups—especially those who openly called for Left-Right unity—was for the abolition of the Federal Reserve. Whether this is an issue actually shared by the Left, or just an attempt to get the Left to support right-wing policies, is another question.
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The initial controversy over antisemitism

The Right’s participation was far from limited to a handful of antisemites, but it is nonetheless true that Occupy’s attacks on finance capital attracted many of them, since such attacks were easily integrated into their fantasies of Jews controlling the banking industry. (Rather than explicitly naming Jews as the villain, antisemites often instead demonize a subgroup that they identify as Jewish, such as Zionists, international bankers, neoconservatives, “the Frankfurt School”—or Wall Street.)
Adbusters, the magazine that initially sparked OWS, has an especially troublesome past. Its editor and co-founder, Kalle Lasn, published an article in 2004 criticizing neoconservatives by invoking numerous antisemitic narratives. The article included a list of prominent neoconservatives with marks next to the Jewish names. Responding to widespread criticism, Lasn denied that he was antisemitic but showed no understanding of why the narrative of the article was offensive. More recently, the magazine has published articles by antisemitic writer and musician Gilad Atzmon.⁵ This certainly raises the question of whether Adbusters’s choice of Wall Street as a target may have been shaped by narratives influenced by antisemitism.
Some mainstream right-wing media attempted to discredit OWS as being primarily antisemitic from the outset.

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The result was that many Occupy protestors on the Left felt that they were being unfairly “smeared” as antisemites by the mainstream Right in an attempt to discredit the movement as a whole, and, furthermore, that these claims were without merit.⁹ This fear of subversion created an atmosphere of denial and a general consensus that there was no involvement in Occupy by those further to the Right than Ron Paul.
Right-wing and conspiracist participation in Occupy was nonetheless real, and it involved more than 20 groups, prominent figures, and media outlets. These included Ron Paul supporters, Alex Jones, Oath Keepers, David Icke, We Are Change, Tea Party members, National-Anarchists, Attack the System, the Pacifica Forum, American Free Press, LaRouchites, Counter-Currents, the American Freedom Party, American Front, David Duke, the American Nazi Party, White Revolution, and others. (A detailed account of their participation is available separately in my essay, “Twenty on the Right in Occupy.”)¹⁰ Their involvement included attending planning meetings, taking part in the encampments, making appeals directed to the Occupiers, and co-opting online resources. They fell into four overlapping categories: anti-Federal Reserve activists, conspiracy theorists, antisemites, and White nationalists/neo Nazis.

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The “End the Fed!” factor and the conspiracy theorists

As Occupy Wall Street burgeoned, Ron Paul was campaigning for the 2012 GOP presidential nomination. Although there was no obvious mechanism organizing their participation, Paulists were at the OWS planning meetings, and they remained a fixture in the movement and appeared at almost all Occupations, though they were usually a small but vocal minority.

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The ambiguity of Occupy attracted a substantial number of Paul’s supporters, who in turn attracted a fair amount of media coverage for themselves. They gained general traction within Occupy because of their objection to the Federal Reserve’s bailout of the major banks after the financial collapse, and sometimes focused on its role in the subprime mortgage crisis. Counterintuitively for many, the lesson of the crisis for Paulists was the need for less—not more—federal involvement in the banking system.
Many others who wanted to abolish the Federal Reserve also became involved in Occupy; most supported Paul’s candidacy. Alex Jones, one of the most popular U.S. conspiracy theorists (although not a consistent supporter of Occupy), attempted to crash the movement by calling for a national event on Oct. 6, 2011, to “Occupy the Fed.” Jones said that, contrary to media portrayals of Occupy as left-leaning, “The people on the ground … understand the Federal Reserve is the central organization empowering this world government system. This is a revolt against banker occupation.”¹²
At the same time, the Oath Keepers organization, in concert with Jones and others, concocted a national push to insert “End the Fed!” rhetoric into Occupy under a call to “Occupy the Occupation!” (Oath Keepers, which holds armed marches, recruits current and former military and law enforcement employees who swear to “uphold the Constitution,” and is driven by conspiracies about the coming One World Government.) It also helped establish an encampment in Occupy Los Angeles and attempted to recruit there.¹³
Another Fed critic was David Icke, known for his metaconspiracy theory that the global elite are descendants of reptilian aliens who seek to enslave humanity—a story that weaves in classic antisemitic narratives. His “Essential Knowledge For A Wall Street Protestor” video, which promotes anti-Federal Reserve and related economic conspiracies, has about 350,000 views. He also made an hour-long “ad-lib documentary” in Zuccotti Park just after the encampment was evicted by authorities.¹⁴ Icke’s followers were active in both U.S. and U.K. Occupations.
Other conspiracists who worked in Occupy include We Are Change (WAC), an international 9/11 “Truther” group. Luke Rudkowski, the group’s founder, is a prolific video blogger and is well-known for his paparazzi-style interviews. On site at OWS from the first day, he did extensive video coverage at Zuccotti Park and is also featured in David Icke’s videos.
Members of WAC New York City, a splinter faction, were also active in OWS, including Danny Panzella, a Tea Party activist who ran for state office in 2010. Even before OWS, Panzella organized demonstrations against the downtown Manhattan Federal Reserve, and he worked hard to refocus Occupy on an “End the Fed!” agenda. He appeared on the Fox News show Freedom Watch, in one of a number of the show’s broadcasts that encouraged libertarians to attend Occupy events.¹⁵ Other members of the group who worked with OWS included Craig FitzGerald, a “National-Anarchist” who promotes Holocaust denial and endorses White separatism.

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Online, antisemites have continued to be connected to Occupy projects. The most popular is an imposter Facebook page that mimics the “real” main one—and posts blatantly antisemitic content. It has attracted nearly 650,000 followers. (By contrast, the page affiliated with the organization that arose from the Zuccotti encampment has fewer than 500,000 followers.) It is unclear who the secretive administrators of the imposter site are, or why it became so popular. Attempts to remove it have so far been unsuccessful.¹⁷

One of the Far Right’s most enthusiastic Occupy champions was the American Free Press, an antisemitic weekly newspaper that is heir to Willis Carto’s media empire. It promoted Occupy even before the initial action, and for months it printed numerous articles supporting the movement, including firsthand reporting from various Occupations.¹⁸

Lyndon LaRouche’s Far Right sect was initially involved in OWS. It has long pushed for restoring Glass-Steagall, a New Deal-era act that limited the kinds of investments that banks could make, which was repealed in the late 1990s. Many believe that it would have prevented the housing crisis had it remained in effect. During Occupy, two bills were in Congressional committee that would have restored its provisions, and it was a priority for many Occupy protestors on the Left, as well. LaRouche’s followers were active in the OWS planning meetings, where Glass-Steagall’s restoration was one of six initial proposals for the never-realized “one demand.”¹⁹ LaRouche’s organization even claimed credit for making its reinstatement “a leading demand of the movement.”²⁰ Staff at Counter-Currents, a leading U.S. publisher of intellectual fascism and White nationalism, claimed to have attended the San Francisco and Oakland occupations, and they described the events as a valuable experience
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The most prominent figure on the Far Right to endorse Occupy was David Duke, a former Republican state representative from Louisiana and an elder statesman of the U.S. White nationalist movement. In a video from October 2011, “Occupy Zionist Wall Street,” Duke denounced the “Zionist thieves at the Federal Reserve” and “the most powerful criminal bank in the world, the Zionist Goldman Sachs, run by that vulture-nosed bottom feeder, Lloyd Blankfein.” The video has received more than 100,000 views to date. Duke later wrote on the White supremacist web forum Stormfront that “OWS is an opportunity. … Grab this opportunity!”²²
White nationalists also participated in some of the movement’s less high-profile iterations, such as Occupy Indianapolis (OI). Matt Parrott of Hoosier Nation—the local branch of the White nationalist American Third Position Party, now called the American Freedom Party—attended OI, and made a video interviewing participants. He wrote: “Our experience was peaceful and positive, affirming my suspicion that the majority of the Occupy Indianapolis attendees were fed up with the same corporate and federal abuses the majority of the Tea Party protesters are fed up with.”²³ His colleague “Tristania” [Nazi lover and Libertarian operative Jaenelle Antas] posted a comment on Stormfront saying that “it was a very good opportunity for outreach” and that “it’s about cherry picking people from those audiences and recruiting them to our side.”²⁴
  [That is a nutshell is what the "truth" movement con was for--recruiting people from the left to push a Nazi agenda]
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Why did they participate?

It is a mistake to view these right-wing groups and people as “infiltrating” Occupy, since in some cases they supported and helped organize it even before it started. Others were simply participating in a demonstration that loudly proclaimed that it was open to everyone and refused to define even its most basic concepts or demands.
Yet some on the Right did view their work as intentional co-optation. This is an intrinsic problem with the “franchise activism” model, or the practice of setting up a name and format that anyone can adopt and act under. While it allows for ease of replication and flexibility in action—one of Occupy’s great strengths—it also allows a variety of political visions to be pursued under its banner. For example, almost no mechanisms are available to deem the “imposter” Facebook page as illegitimate in relation to the “real” one.

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 The point it is not so much that the Left was significantly damaged by the Right’s presence in Occupy—though its presence did open the movement up to attacks in the mainstream media, which wasted the time and effort of organizers while turning off potential supporters. The deeper problem is that right-wing groups benefited from the Left’s willingness to give them a stage to speak from and an audience to recruit from.
[The problem with any "big tent" strategy in a nutshell]

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 As a result, the involvement of right-wing groups in Occupy raises questions about the dilemma of creating a movement that is open to “everyone” but must exclude certain elements if it is to avoid becoming a forum for right-wing populist protest. The basic format of the demonstrations—a populist attack on finance capital with ambiguous formulations—harmonized quite well with the political vocabulary and framework of the Right and conspiracy theorists.

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Are there any practical steps, then, that activists on the Left can take to minimize participation by the Right?
The administrators at the OccupyWallSt.org forum, the main online location of internal discussions, took one small step after they were deluged by conspiracy theorists and Far Right propagandists. In October 2011, they banned anyone who posted about Icke, LaRouche, Duke, or Jones.³¹
A more proactive first step would be to endorse an anti-oppression platform at the very start, such as the one created at Occupy Boston. Unlike the relatively vague statement from Zuccotti, Boston’s statement explicitly named the types of oppression that it opposed, including White supremacy, patriarchy, ageism, homophobia, transphobia, anti-Arab sentiment, Islamophobia, and anti-Jewish sentiment.³²
A member of the Hoosier Anti-Racist Movement pointed out that if such a platform had been in place in Occupy Indianapolis, when racist sentiments were expressed towards people of color, there would have been an existing agreement to point to—and a basis for asking the larger group to intervene—rather than relying on nonexistent cooperation from the majority of the largely White participants. The HARM member also said that if racists had been confronted and expelled from the physical occupation, they likely would not have posted a positive video of their experience, felt welcome to continue to participate in the group’s social media, or written about their warm reception.³³ Not taking a proactive stance against antisemitism at Zuccotti led to significant bad press and much time and energy invested—often by Jewish participants—in putting out fires.

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[From the DUH files.   Let's see if the next mass left movement learns from Occupy's mistakes.]

28pages.org: Latest Libertarian "Truther" Swindle

 Update: 9/10:

The webmaster is apparently going public with Abby Martin, according to his Twitter feed--that he links to from his website, and therefore it shouldn't be too difficult for some people to suss out who he is, sigh):

28Pages.org ‏@28Pages

Brian McGlinchey of http://28Pages.org  to appear on @BreakingTheSet w @AbbyMartin Thursday 9/11 at 6 & 9:30pm #Declassify

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It's painful to watch people again and again fail to get the obvious:  911 "Truth" is a far right con.  So it's no surprise the person  behind 28pages.org is yet another "Freedom, Liberty, Constitution"  Paulbot.  Ron Paul wrote the book on selling political cons for years and making millions to boot.

28pages.org is the website of  Ron Paul fanatic Brian McGlinchey.   He promotes it at Facebook on his LibertyMcG page:

 https://www.facebook.com/pages/LibertyMcG/383080208372978

A page for followers of LibertyMcG.com, Brian McGlinchey's brand-new blog on politics and policy from a perspective that values individual freedom and...

Read more

http://libertymcg.com/

 

 https://www.facebook.com/permalink.php?story_fbid=891534200860907&id=383080208372978

LibertyMcG shared a link.

14 July

It's time to finally declassify those 28 pages of the 9/11 Report

28 Pages.org

28pages.org

A resource center for the growing, bipartisan movement to declassify 28 pages of the 9/11 Commission...

McGlinchey also promoted 28pages.org under his personal account:

 https://www.facebook.com/RepThomasMassie/posts/834056359951863

Brian McGlinchey Thank you for your vocal leadership in the drive to declassify 28 pages from a 9/11 report detailing foreign government involvement in 9/11. There's a new site to support the cause: http://28pages.org/

1 · July 15 at 11:33am · Edited

 

McGlinchey is the sole owner of the website at this time:

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Presumably in an attempt to obfuscate the fringe right origins, McG has wasted no time wooing a misguided "truther" into the 28pages orbit:

28Pages.org Thanks to Jon Gold for capturing the CSPAN broadcast. His channel: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC66YC8HKheNZC5NTTLZq3yg

1 · July 23 at 11:33am

This soon after foolishly jumping onto this scamwagon with both feet:

Jon Gold

July 23 at 6:12am ·

If and when the 28 redacted pages of the Joint Congressional Inquiry are released, and people in our Government try to use those pages as an excuse to go to war with Saudi Arabia (which I don't think they can do since Saudi Arabia owns a large portion of this country), we will need to make sure the whole history of the relationship between Saudi Arabia and those two hijackers in San Diego is known, that the whole history of the CIA seemingly protecting those two hijackers in San Diego is known, that one of the first things Bush did when he came into office was to tell the alphabet agencies to "back off" the Saudis and the Bin Ladens, that we have protected Saudi Arabia's support for terrorism since long before 9/11, that the Bush Family, George Tenet and Prince Bandar were really good friends (money connected to those two hijackers in San Diego came from the Bandar family), that George W. Bush and Bandar were talking about the need for "decisive action" in Iraq in the months before 9/11, that Bandar said Saudi intelligence was following most of the hijackers "with precision," that Philip Zelikow and Prince Bandar both belong to the Aspen Strategy Group, that the Consulate in Jeddah where some of the hijackers got their Visas was the same consulate used in the 80's to bring "terrorists" to the U.S. to train for the Afghanistan/Russia War, that the VIsa Express Program, a program used by some of the hijackers to get visas, applied only to Saudi Arabia and was started months before 9/11. Stuff like that…

Any doubts about 28pages.org being a fringe extremist astroturf project should be demolished by this post at the Daily Paul:
[UPDATE: link to Daily Paul has been scrubbed.   Who knows why..possibly to obscure the anti "gubmint"politics of the Alt-Right Libertarians now they have an ear in Trump "gubmint".   So here's a Wayback link...bitches. ]

28Pages.org: "Because Foreign Government Involvement in 9/11 Shouldn't Stay Secret"

Submitted by BP_McLiberty on Thu, 07/17/2014 - 18:33

New site launched as a "resource for the growing movement to declassify a 28-page finding about foreign government involvement in 9/11"...
Foreign Government Involvement in 9/11 Shouldn’t Stay Secret
And that’s why we’ve launched 28Pages.org. More than a website, it will serve as an information and activism hub for citizens, elected officials and journalists who want to follow or join the growing, bipartisan movement to declassify a 28-page finding about foreign support for the 9/11 terrorists.
The 28-page redaction at issue is found in the report of the Joint Inquiry into Intelligence Community Activities Before and After the Terrorist Attacks of September 11, 2001. Not to be confused with the 9/11 Commission, this inquiry was a separate undertaking of the House and Senate intelligence committees.
While the resulting 838-page volume features many redacted words, sentences and paragraphs, President George W. Bush’s censorship of this particular section was comprehensive: 28 consecutive pages fully masked from public view, with only a few introductory paragraphs left intact. Within what little that is visible, we find the inquiry reviewed “FBI and CIA documents suggesting specific potential sources of foreign support for the September 11 hijackers.”
Check out the site and read the rest of this intro at 28Pages.org :
http://28pages.org/2014/07/17/foreign-government-involvement...

There is no "growing movement".  It's the same pool of fringe reactionary loons that brought us the Y2K scare and invented the "Truth" movement. For instance the Facebook page has a total of 25 likes at this time.

This swindle is aimed at a very small slice of the Facebook community.  For comparison NARAL ProChoice Texas  has 8,100 likes.   Granted, they've been around longer and have more chapters, but if the conspiracy scam ringmasters can't rally more that 25 of the Alex Jones/Icke troops after a week, maybe it's time to throw in the towel.

  Any doubts about McGlinchey's Libertarian DNA should be
dispelled with this photo with racist loon Ron Paul:

McGlinchey isn't the first Libertarian to plug the "truther" con.

[See: Lew Rockwell and Craig "Killtown" Lazo.
 http://jennyquarx.blogspot.com/2014/07/occupy-retospective-at-lady-liberty.html
 http://jennyquarx.blogspot.com/2014/04/on-rand-paul-tea-parties-and-white.html
 http://jennyquarx.blogspot.com/2014/03/the-anti-semite-elephant-in-room.html
 http://jennyquarx.blogspot.com/2014/02/lew-rockwell-gullible-libertarian-or.html
]

Sadly it doesn't look like he'll be the last.

Maybe there's something to these 28pages legitimate authorities should investigate.

But it's more likely, given Libertarian "truther" history, the agenda behind the 28pages.org website is to keep the "truther" con alive and/or promote the anti-Semite, anti government, conspiracy worldview fringe right political interests have exploited for decades.

Viva la Madness!

 For more on McG go to his linked in profile:


 https://www.linkedin.com/in/brianmcglinchey

28pages.org

Update:  Mild hilarity can be had at the expense websites run by frauds, pretending to disparage each other ...

Wow. Didn't think you could so easily top yourself. My statement that I am lobbying to have you demoted is not a threat as the statement is it's own action. What I said is already lobbying.
I'd also point out that I find your use of the term threat and suggestion that I make threats to be totally inappropriate and far beyond acceptable behavior for comments on this site. Who among us does everything we hope to do? I'm quite sure I haven't delivered on every promise. But "threats" are something else and you should know that.
Your behavior here further confirms my concern about your moderation. Or perhaps you need a break. Maybe you are burnt out just like anyone who really cares about this can be. Maybe you need to re-evaluate your position and get back to me, or rather us.
I don't 'believe' this stuff. I've learned how it works. Good strategy is not opinion but historical fact. The history of social movements and the history of this movement. Some things don't work and I do not intend to accept you laughing at me because I know what does. That's a direct act of ignorance, and it has no place in a movement about truth.

..... while both promote the exact same conspiracy blog about 28pages:

Site 1
Site 2

 "This is something real,"

Please. Stop.  This isn't funny.  It's sad.  In fact it's all a direct act of ignorance .

Stormfront, Obama and Murder

A couple days before Hitler's birthday the Guardian reported on the Southern Poverty Law Center study linking the highest profile Nazi website to hate killings.  This hardly came as a surprise:

More than 100 hate-crime murders linked to single website, report finds

• Southern Poverty Law Center singles out Stormfront.org
• Report says users disproportionately linked to major killings

• Amanda Holpuch in New York
• theguardian.com, Friday 18 April 2014 08.16 EDT

People charged with the murders of almost 100 people can be linked to a single far-right website, according to a new report from the Southern Poverty Law Center (SPLC).

The White Nationalist web forum Stormfront.org says it promotes values of “the embattled white minority,” and its users include Anders Behring Breivik, who killed 77 people in a 2011 massacre in Norway, and Wade Michael Page, who shot and killed six people at a Sikh temple in Wisconsin in 2012.
After a two-year investigation, the SPLC said (pdf) that since Stormfront became one of the first hate sites on the internet in 1995, its registered users have been disproportionately responsible for major killings. The report was released a month early after white supremacist Frazier Glenn Miller, also known as Frazier Glenn Cross, was accused of killing three people at a Jewish center in Kansas City on Sunday.
“We know that the people who are going to commit the kinds of crimes, like the kinds of crimes Miller committed last weekend, this is where they live,” said Heidi Beirich, report author and a director at the SPLC’s Intelligence Project. The report, released on Thursday, calls Stormfront the “largest hate site in the world” and “a magnet and breeding ground for the deadly and deranged.”
Of the site’s more than 286,000 users, only a small sliver are highly active, the report found, with fewer than 1,800 people logging in each day. While the SPLC only identified 10 murderers out of this large user base, researchers think the murderers’ connection to the site is important because it shows how the website offers a community for people who commit these crimes.

“It’s pretty clear that websites like Stormfront are breeding grounds for people who are just enraged at their situation, it’s there that people find the reasons their lives aren’t as they had hoped and Stormfront helps them find the enemy that is standing in their way – whether it be Jews, African Americans, immigrants and so on,” said Beirich. “Unfortunately it’s not very surprising that people who live in this kind of stew of violent racism eventually pick up a gun and do something about it at some point.”

Stormfront proudly declares that “every month is white history month” at the top of its site and forum discussions concern things such as the latest news stories, ideology, poetry and creative writing.

“The fact of the matter is that more people have been killed domestically by radical right extremists than Islamic extremists since 9/11 and where you find a lot of these people is on these sites,” said Beirich.

SPLC also identified 10 characteristics shared by killers who were active online including unemployment, posting on more than one hate website, and sustained activity on these sites.

Stormfront founder Don Black, a former grand wizard of the Ku Klux Klan, criticized Miller for giving users of his site a bad reputation. “We have enough of a problem with how we are portrayed without some homicidal whack job coming along and reinforcing that,” Black told the Daily Beast. After he was banned from Stormfront, the SLPC said Miller posted more than 12,000 times on a similar forum, Vanguard News Network, whose slogan is “No Jews, Just Right.”

The SPLC’s report said hate killings skyrocketed after Barack Obama was inaugurated in 2009.
“We have seen and documented at the SPLC an enormous growth of groups on the radical right, particularly in the last five years,” said Mark Potok, the report’s editor and a senior fellow on the Intelligence Project. “That growth quite clearly seems to be driven by the appearance of Barack Obama on the political scene in the fall of 2008 and of course his subsequent election.”

Potok noted that these hate sites are protected by first amendment rights because they don’t contain concrete plots to commit crimes. He said that law enforcement official unquestionably pay attention to these sites, but criticized how much analysis is done on users by federal authorities.

“We feel pretty strongly that the Department of Homeland Security, which is the lead agency in this country for developing intelligence about these groups and individuals, has more or less taken its eye of the ball in the sense that since 2009 the department seems more focused on Jihadists terrorism,” Potok said.

 Bold mine.   The radical right was mobilizing from day one of Obama's election, because , you know, he's BLACK.   You'd think the collapse of civilization was immanent.  Two memes were fast tracked and spread heavily in the "truther" communities:    Joker Obama, a repurposed joker Bush, and Obama Hitler.

One of the first places to report Joker Obama is a website devoted to battling "liberal bias":

Obama Joker Poster Popping Up In Los Angeles

By Noel Sheppard | August 1, 2009 | 20:06

 Have you seen this poster?
Apparently, it's beginning to appear in odd places in Los Angeles, but nobody seems to know who's responsible for it.

Radio host Tammy Bruce posted some pictures of this odd creation at her blog Saturday morning (h/t Pamela Geller) leading me to investigate further.
At this point, all I could find on the subject was an April 25 article from Bedlam Magazine:

 A poster of Barack Obama in Heath Ledger-style Joker make-up with the legend 'Socialism' beneath it has been popping up recently on surfaces around L.A. It does not appear to be in the same category as the many benign take-offs on the Shepard Fairey 'Hope' poster, such as the one by Australian James Lillis (more of a straightforward spoof that merely substituted a Shepardized image of Heath Ledger as Joker on the Obama poster). 

 Here are Tammy's snaps:

 Makes you wonder who's behind this.

It's not difficult to figure out.  Though I expect Sheppard is angling for something more specific than the "hide the white women" crowd.[Wikipedia attributes this image to Firas Alkhateeb. Only later would "socialism" be added. Previous version are by Ross Brummet  and a couple college Republicans. ]

A couple days later the same blogger would opine about a double standard:

Not surprisingly, the Obama Joker Poster reported by NewsBusters Saturday is already drawing some outrage.
According to a television station where the posters have been spotted, "Los Angeles Urban Policy Roundtable President Earl Ofari Hutchinson is calling the depiction, politically mean spirited and dangerous."
Yet, when Vanity Fair's Politics & Power blog published a somewhat similar visual representation of George W. Bush last July, nobody seemed to complain. In fact, throughout the Bush years, demeaning drawings of the President and Vice President Dick Cheney were quite commonplace.

 And:

 Hmmm. I wonder where the Los Angeles Urban Policy Roundtable was when Vanity Fair published this last July:

And where was the outrage when the Village Voice published this on the cover of its October 26, 2004, issue:

Like many conservatives  Sheppard misses the point.  Unfortunately he doesn't provide links for context, but at a wild ass guess the Bush images were a commentary on Bushes policies, and the fact, let's face it:  as  president Bush was a joke.

The Obama Joker is more offensive not just because of the undertones of racism, but the outright lie he's a socialist.  There is a difference between criticizing someone for something they actually are vs. making up shite to support reactionary paranoia.   This is a false equivalency.  Mind, it's possible Sheppard isn't even aware of this, perhaps believing organized political racism no longer exists.  The SPLC's report pretty much demolishes that idea.

While these were popular with the KKK friendly crowd, they didn't invent them.   And Obama Hitler comes directly from the marketing department of the Larouche cult:

These are relevant to this blog because the more blatant racist "truthers" and libertarian crowd around them were pushing the Obama joker meme from word go.  In fact "Infowars" had a campaign to push the meme, and much like Paultards, was able to mobilize the fringe base to make it a reality:


 http://www.infowars.com/joker-obama-posters-to-go-viral/

‘JOKER’ Obama Posters to go viral

Infowars
August 5, 2009

DON’T ALLOW POLITICALLY CORRECT OBAMANOIDS TO STOP FREE SPEECH & POLITICAL DISSENT.
POST THESE EVERYWHERE YOU CAN IN YOUR AREA AND ONLINE

Note: Obama Joker posters should be posted in public commons where other fliers, public announcements, handbills, etc., are posted. Please do not post on federal or private property as this will be considered vandalism and will be counterproductive and diminish the message of the Obama Joker poster.

This was four days after the NewsBusters report.  The posters in Tammy's pics were probably part of a campaign in progress Alex Jones almost certainly was aware of. 

Invented, reporposed or coopted, the anti-Obama memes were a great moral boost to racist fringe culture.  A picture doesn't make anyone kill and I certainly don't think it should be banned.  But it's not too much to expect the agencies that should be tracking these things to use this as a flag to follow the trend. It comes as no surprise that Stormfront.org was a hotbed for discussion around the Obama Joker: Google search

What is a surprise is the link to the first News Busters article about the poster the same day it was published:

http://www.stormfront.org/forum/t626350/

Calling into question exactly how unaware NewBusters was of the origins if a faithful reader picked it up so soon.  Posted by  a self described Libertarian:

salvete amici

Forum Member

Join Date: Oct 2005

Location: Christian, Free-market Libertarian

The subject clearly has support, wandering into the delusional:

Spread as many as such posters as possible on the most busy places, if enough people see through the deception they fall.

Oookaaaaay.  LA is still standing.  Guess the poster brigade didn't put up enough.


Meanwhile the people sucked into conspiracy culture and particularly the "truth" movement would do well to shun memes of racist origin.  Better yet, shun the entire culture before being labeled a race traitor and targeted by violent nuts.

One last thought: could the embrace of Obama joker in  9/11 "truth" been the death knell of the fake "leftist" truther groups?   People pushing "truth" were always a pale faced bunch.  Only in the very early days was there even a smattering of dark-ish complected truthers.  This would be paralleled in the Tea party, and much like the Tea Party, is a sign someone, somewhere is LYING about the origins and goals of the "movement".  Except in the "truth" movement the lie was more believable because the anti war left was very critical of Bush's handling of 9/11.  What Black Tea Partiers were thinking I don't know: the anti black racism of the Tea Party was far, far more obvious on the street than the anti-Jew "truthers".

 In any case, the Obama Joker was actively pushed by "truthers" in mid 2009.  I remember seeing it and being neither offended nor impressed.  I don't remember seeing the socialism tag though.  Had I known it's origins, I would have been much less impressed.  I do remember a spin off of the meme, Hopenosis, which I thought was forced and idiotic. This was offensive because it mocked people's quite understandable desire for economic relief after the Bush years. Mocking a public figure is one thing; having a go at people while they're down is mean spirited. Perhaps if it had been coupled with thoughtful criticism it would have been different.  But I did feel the aversive effects of Hope-nosis.  Like Obama Joker it signaled the end of any attempts to woo the left into 9/11 "truth" and the complete abandonment of any leftist "truther" fronts.