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Mar 23, 2018

Only imbeciles running 911blogger these days...

This is an imbecile:




Ted Tilton Jr.: Truth about 9/11 continues to emerge



Dear Editor: Soon we will all be exposed to the officially sanctioned 10-year memorial production designed to re-enforce the state-approved narrative of the 9/11 attacks by appealing to our emotions. What we will not hear from official sources and their parrots in the mainstream media is any suggestion of the flood of factual evidence that well-credentialed scientists, architects, engineers, journalists, and other professionals have accumulated that refute beyond a reasonable doubt the official decrees about the events of 9/11. We may hear snarky references to the “truthers,” we may read articles attempting to explain the movement from a pseudo-psychological perspective. But we will not hear direct, open, honest debate about the actual evidence.
The fact that it is virtually forbidden within mainstream .... 

Blather, blather, blather, ad nauseated.

It's a scam people, really.  There is no "truth", just one long unending conspiracy journey down a very sleazy Nazi ridden rabbithole.

But why is it an imbecile?  Because this person owns/runs/manages/curates 911blogger whilst knowing it's a fraud:

https://www.bizapedia.com/az/911-blogger-llc.html

 9/11 Blogger LLC is an Arizona Domestic L.L.C. filed on November 17, 2009 . The company's filing status is listed as Good Standing and its File Number is L15677141.

The Registered Agent on file for this company is Justin Allan Keogh and is located at 4526 E Duncan St, Tucson, AZ 85712. The company's principal address is 4526 E Duncan St, Tucson, AZ 85712.

The company has 2 principals on record. The principals are Justin Allan Keogh from Tucson AZ and Ted Tilton from Rochelle IL.


And, more seriously, does so knowing he's lying about the site never being funded:

From only comment dated three years ago:

This business runs the conspiracy website 911blogger.com, that solicits money with this line:

"9/11 Blogger receives no foundational or corporate support other than from the ads below. We depend on your support. Help us cover the news and improve the site by becoming a monthly donor. " However tax records show 911blogger.com, or at least the owner Justin Keogh, is given $7,600.00 for operational costs from another conspiracy outfit, Richard Gage's ae911truth:

www.dropbox.com/s/g2195oxvp5olw1d/2014%20AE911%20FEDERAL%20TAX%20RETURN%20FORM%20990.pdf?dl=0#
(page 21)

9/11 Blogger LLC, and the associated website appears to be a front group/site for AE911Truth, possibly using the shell corporation THE 911 INFORMATION FOUNDATION. I guess this would be fine if the owners of 911 blogger were honest about it and didn't ask people for money under pretenses.

There are also reports of the owners(which used to include another guy) refusing to remove accounts, posts or information of members who wished to no longer be involved with the website. They claim that they can't remove anything, even when a person was involved under deceptive circumstances. Any credible website removes material without question. Sometime in 2012 they invented a rule that anything published will be there forever, and try to hold people who registered years before that time that the rule. It makes one wonder what they're up to.

I would not recommend being involved with this business. Dishonest and manipulative.

I can't argue with that!  But I thought I'd put this Tea Party front lunacy behind several years back when, after finding proof beyond a doubt trutherism was a fraud, I deleted all my blogs:




But some imbecile decided to reconstruct them from archives:

hxxxp://911blogger.com/blogs/col-jenny-sparks

And this was all apparently done sometime in the past afternoon, within an hour:



"Imbecile" is spelled "T-I-L-T-O-N" , and really sounds a bit like L-A-Z-O, given the level of stupidity on display.

 Why would someone do this?  You'd think they'd be happy to never have to seak about the outraged antiwar leftist who won't shut up about being scammed by closet Tea Party/Libertarian/Holocaust deniers.  Like this one:

"But this isn't about Cole, it's about yet another knee jerk attempt to protect the Holocaust catechism..."
 Whoa!  Houston, this is NOT a leftist or a liberal...but it pretended to be one, for months.  And you think, after stunts like this, these people would be smart enough to NOT RETURN TO APPROPRIATING MATERIAL OBTAINED THROUGH FRAUD.

But not Tilton. He's a special kinda stupid.

I sent him a wee note:

And then said to hell with it, "why wait" and am currently in contact with webhosts, etc, etc.  If we don't have results by Monday, I guess we'll be talking with...SIGH...law enforcement.    This isn't just sleazy--- it's copyright infringement and plagiarism. Something Tilton's friends seem all too comfortable with....


Lean close to the screen and listen, very, very carefully:

I do not give any fucks about 9/11 truth.  It is a fraud. As long as you are honest about being an organ of the Tea Party/ Alt-right and you don't lie or use fraud to trick leftists into joining up, I DO NOT CARE WHAT YOU DO.

Except when you promote Holocaust denial and Nazi shit.  But that shit I just send to Antifascists or law enforcement.

Oh, and GET ALL THE SHIT ABOUT ME DELETED.
Then I will be truly happy to  NEVER TALK ABOUT ANY OF YOU AGAIN.
NO, REALLY. 911TRUTH IS A FRAUD. AND THERE ARE NO AGENTS/SHILLS- NEVER WERE.

But that's too complicated for Teddy, Lazo, and a couple of fake debunkers who seem just as dumb.   So I guess,  INSTEAD OF JUST IGNORING YOU ASSHOLES AND GETTING ON WITH LIFE , I'll be checking in to update this for when some inevitable new crap come up.

Oh, and BTW?  It was a member of antifa who alerted me to this latest garbage, while watching the activities of Craig "Killtown" Lazo, who has apparently crawled out from under a rock somewhere:



If it's really him, he's still a moron about how the Internets work....

I'm still not sure what that's about....except proof Antifa is indeed everywhere.

Morons.

Now you know who you are...get to work

EDIT:  One more thing...the whois for 911blogger.com, on the chance anyone else needs it:


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May 31, 2015

Cointelpro, Wikileaks and 911truth, or 'Why We Know There Are No Agents'



To many it seems obvious the claims of "cointelpro agents" or CIA agents sent to disrupt or stop the "truth from coming out is paranoid conspiracy nonsense, along with "concerns" about the New World Order Illuminati Jews being behind everything.

But if the introduction to a group or email list was based on something much more reasonable--social justice work, peace activism, protesting the war in Iraq-- the idea of is not impossible, though one is unlikely to take it too seriously, at least at first.

The problem is, in the history of real activism, there were government programs funded to infiltrate, and in some cases disrupt, legitimate activist groups.  The American Indian and the civil rights movements are a couple of cases.  The Cointelpro program is a documented example.  The motives were a mix of institutional reactionary conservatism and genuine cultural suspicions of radical new movements, never mind their goals were social justice.  To get an idea of the mentality behind infiltrating peace groups, imagine that most people employed in powerful government positions were Tea Partiers.  There wouldn't be a "Tea Party" because they'd be running the show  and want to keep it that way

Fast forward to today.   The institutional conservatism of yesteryear has crumbled.  Dinosaurs from the pre-civil rights past can no longer depend on being humoured except in the most backward of states.   Even the GOP has all but abandoned the gay rights/marriage "values" battle as not being worth the fight.  But there remains a sizeable population who feels aggrieved, as if recognizing other peoples human rights somehow takes away theirs.   And while these people have no political pull outside of reactionary circles, they do have cash that can be flimflammed out of them by promises to return to the "Good Old Days". 

This a political fraud Ron Paul became quite expert at, though he's not the only one.  It has several necessary parts:

1. Scapegoatism.  It almost doesn't matter who the scapegoat starts out as.  Eventually it will be revealed to be "Jews".

2. Appeal to Authority:  claiming to be expert, experienced, in possession of special knowledge.  Which Leads to.

3: Persecution complex  : the reason this knowledge is not well known is because of "distruptors" or "agents" trying to muddle the waters with "disinfo".  Eventually the following question will be asked:

4: Why have "they" not killed off the keeper of secrets? The frauds are still working on this one.   Usually once someone starts asking this question, whether a skeptic or a believer who is having doubts, the person's criticisms are written off as the ravings of an "agent"  out to suppress the truth.

This is a self contained loop.  All problems the believer has are due to a "scapegoat", the "authority" has secret information they dispense that no one knows because they are persecuted by the "scapegoat".  Never mind the all powerful scapegoat makes no move to kill or disrupt the "authoritys" life, or, at the very least, have their websites removed.  Which would be really easy for  "government funded agent" to do.  One fabricated claim of Child Pornography on the servers would do the trick.  

This illogic loop keeps people engaged as increasingly more alarming stories of police state repression, often taken out of context (if not outright lies), that are spread to keep the faith.  Religious terminology is being used deliberately, because claims of waking up sheeple to the contrary, the last thing the people benefiting from the truther fraud want is anyone thinking level headed about the issue.

The depressing fact is most people sucked into the conspiracy hoodoo circles take claims of "agents" at face value.  As it is not a default assumption of mine, I have never understood it.  My experience is when people start claiming there are agents etc and they are asked to further explain themselves, or God help them, for proof, things get very very woolly.   If one is approaching 9/11 "truth" from a  historical antiwar perspective, the idea of an agent isn't completely improbable.  But it's also not going to inspire instant paranoia.  On the contrary, if one has no reason to believe they're involved with anything illegal, the idea of catching an agent screwing with my constitutional rights is like Christmas coming early.    It's just a matter of catching them at it.

But it's a long, long road to even taking the idea seriously.  It requires layers of confidence games that are nonsensical at the time, but have one purpose: to convince the few stubborn people "agents" are at work disrupting "truther" activism.  

For instance, one party may send a gushing email  thanking the target for "everything they do".  They hope the target engages, shares more information, which is passed on to other members of the con, members the target is either unaware of or has been given to believe the contact disapproves of.  Weeks or months pass.  If the target remains stubborn or becomes problematic in other ways, this information is leaked "anonymously".  Sometimes even the party who had complimented the target abruptly and publicly switches sides.  Others will say pompously: "See, told ya there were agents!"  (Years later all these people will be exposed as working the same con because eventually te piss off the wrong people.  But that's another story.)

This works with disturbing regularity.  The first assumption should not be of agents, but of a con.  Because it doesn't matter if the person is an agent or not;  contacting people under false pretences to manipulate them is fraud.  And fraud...and conspiracy to commit fraud, and using ISP/emails for malicious communications... are all actual crimes.  As Lazo's associate Mark Fisher found out.

And this is why it is my personal belief the Myth of "Agents" in the truth movement is protected at all costs: once it's obvious the so called "agent" activity is a fraud, it will be impossible to control or protect what is left of the "truther" movement.  

But even knowing how absurd and unlikely "agents" are, it is still useful to once and for all put the matter at rest:  The reason we know---not suspect, but know-- there are no Cointepro/CIA agents active to disrupt 9/11 truth is because the very merchants of these conspiracies were customers of the CIA affiliate STRATFOR.

In late 2011- early 2012, Wikileaks with Anonymous leaked the customer list of STRATFOR, a private intelligence firm that did work for the CIA.  The lists included names, email addresses and credit card numbers.  STRATFOR denied they had a security breach, but it was all posted at the Dazzlepod site, where anyone could look up their information.

In the last year it was deleted but one can find the home page in wayback.

STRATFOR
cleartext passwords

On December 25, 2011, the Anonymous group hacked into a private intelligence agency, Strategic Forecasting Inc. or STRATFOR, based in Austin, Texas. The attack began with the release of STRATFOR's client list announced at https://twitter.com/#!/AnonymousIRC/status/150679351589998593 followed by release of accounts in batches believed to belong to STRATFOR's customers. The release announced in another Twitter post at https://twitter.com/#!/AnonymousIRC/status/150985258999885824 includes emails, passwords (hashed with MD5), home/office addresses and credit card information (full 16-digit number, expiry date and CVV number). The table below is the list of the leaked accounts with the passwords removed.

STRATFOR has brought down their site following the attack but kept their members posted on the status of the attack via their Facebook page.



UPDATE (January 2, 2012): We have processed all 860,000 STRATFOR's registered users and added them into the table below. These users do not have their credit card information leaked. The earlier accounts with credit card information leaked are now tagged with "cc" in the table below.

This disclosure was mentioned in PCWorld, Forbes, CNN, MSNBC, FOX News and TheBlaze.

UPDATE (December 30, 2011): The Anonymous group has just released the remaining accounts making the total of leaked STRATFOR's accounts with credit card information to a total of approx. 75,000. The table below has been updated to include these accounts. Additionally, login information for approx. 860,000 STRATFOR's registered users have been leaked as well but they don't include credit card information; we may update the table below to include these users later.


At the time, for people who still thought there was something to "trutherism" this was exciting news.  Immediately the trusting and naive started looking for evidence on Wikileaks of an "inside job".  They came up with nothing and slowly decided Wikileaks was "controlled opposition".   For instance, this article implies STRATFOR was "concerned":


Wikileaks email dump shows Stratfor’s Burton concerned about skepticism concerning Osama narrative
Paul Joseph Watson
Infowars.com
Tuesday, March 6, 2012

The deluge of Stratfor.com emails released a result of the recent Wikileaks data dump includes a brief note from Stratfor’s vice president for intelligence Fred Burton in which he urges the U.S. government to show photos of Osama Bin Laden’s corpse in order to silence “lunatics like Alex Jones and Glenn Beck” who had questioned the government’s official narrative behind the death of the terror mastermind....

This was eyerollingly predictable and strained, even to people who still bought "truthersim".  There are only so many times one can claim "cointelpro/controlled opposition/disinfo" before it's a clear mantra to explain away inconvenient facts.  Could it be the reason there was no evidence of an "Inside Job" is that there was no "Inside Job"?

That by itself would be disappointing in the sense of wasting time on something that wasn't real.  But even more troubling was that at least two conspiracy websites that pushed the 911 truth movement, Before it's News and Infowars, knew it wasn't real.  Or at least knew they weren't targets of the CIA or any affiliated agency action.  Because both these websites were STRATFOR customers and listed on dazzlepod...under identifiable email addresses:


ID Email / Username Password
794631 1oldpath@infowars.net
  

693272 kirsten@beforeitsnews.com

It doesn't take much imagination to conceive an activist of any stripe signing up for STRATFOR services to see "what they're up to".  But anyone doing so under their real name and identifiable email address is LYING about being targeted by the CIA or any related intelligence firm.
Yet here are some stories from both sites claiming concern about "agents" and "inflitration".
Zionist agents infiltrating  the Truth Movement
Paranoid garbage about the CIA infiltrating alternative media
Yet oddly considering the CIA a valid source for more conspiracy nonsense

Infowars is just as colorful:

CIA Killed Phillip Marshall for Leaking 9/11 Secrets

and article apparently written by White Power booster Kevin Barrett.

Infowars and Before its News aren't the only ones.  Craig "Killtown" Lazo's Portland group and associates had a ridiculously high percentage of STRATFOR customers, including a woman who was part of a radical radio station who had promoted group events:

Gregory Thomson aka Ozzybinoswald, close friend of Lazo and inventor of conspiracy garbage like Mark Humphrey being the Harley Guy and repeating smoke "fakery".  Ozzy really really wants you to believe "agents" perps and shills exist.


152542 hisholiness@rome.com ***

Petros Evdokas, caught having a bizarre convo with Lazo on the Cyprus Indymedia email list.  Really, really wants you to believe he was targeted by the CIA...for reasons.  Was also confronted on Indymedia lists for misrepresenting himself and his circumstances.  In other words, he's a fraud.  Daddy Evdokas was a right wing politician:
 The Democratic National Party (Greek: Δημοκρατικό Εθνικό Κόμμα, ΔΕΚ, DEK), was a far-right nationalist political party in Cyprus that advocates union of Cyprus and Greece (Enosis).[1]

This might explain Evdokas' friendship with White Supremacist supporter Kevin Barrett.  Both Evdokas are in the STRATFOR database, but only as persons of political interest. 

 4. EVDOKAS, PETER, 16 YEARS, NO. 23 VASALI MICHAELIDES STREET, NICOSIA, PHONE 43665.
 3. FOLLOWING SWEARING IN OF CABINET, MAKARIOS TOLD PRESS THAT "NATIONAL COUNCIL" HAS BEEN SET UP TO ADVISE PRESIDENT ON BROAD POLICY ISSUES. UNIFIED PARTY WILL BE REPRESENTED BY TASSOS PAPA- DOPOULOS, PROGRESSIVE FRONT BY STAVROS POSKOTIS, AKEL BY PARTY LEADER PAPAIOANNOU, EDEK BY LYSSARIDES, AND DEK BY TAKIS EVDOKAS. PRO-ENOSIS ESEA HAS NOT YET NAMED REPRESENTATIVE. CLERIDES IS EX-OFFICIO MEMBER.

Neither of them have been "oppressed".


ID Email / Username Password
408068 ttetpos@yahoo.com ***

JT Waldron: Conspiracy hack who joined Craig Lazo's Portland truther group(s) in 2010, 2011(?).  Website plays the just asking questions game, while comments are frequently and virulently anti semetic. Really, really wants you to believe the CIA threatened 9/11 researchers.


ID Email / Username Password
748320 jt@theintercept.com ***


Theresa Mitchell, aka Presswatch, an associate and booster for Craig Lazo's Portland group.   She's a "reporter" for an alternative(read, crank) radio station called KBOO that started off as genuine alternative media but has fallen victim to cronyism and Tea Party-esque conspiracy woo.  Has several programs endorsing 911 truth and/or bemoaning the suppression of the "truth".  Really, really wants you to believe Right Wing false flag hysteria and in "Cognitive Infiltration".  Soon after the 9/11 attacks Mitchell expressed concern about CIA activities:
For those of you who feel up to an anarcho-syndicalist and historically critical view of current events, stay tuned for the sort of dissent that is tacitly banned from the corporate-owned media. My surprise at the attacks did not stem from the assumption that they would never occurñI was merely shocked, as everyone was, by the sudden and terrifying loss of life. Given the simplicity of the attack, and the gravity of US provocations around the world for decades, it is remarkable that there have been so few major acts of violence on US soil. In the wake of the US destruction of democracy in Iran in 1954, for example, the CIA set up torture dungeons to aid the rule of the US puppet, the Shah. Here I use the word ìtorture dungeonî in a specific sense; the world saw, after the fall of the Shahís regime, that underground prisons had been constructed, in which dissidents were tortured using information passed along by the CIA.
Apparently her misgivings didn't extend to subscriptions with CIA associates.
https://dazzlepod.com/stratfor/?email=polemics17

ID Email / Username Password
224882 polemics17@gmail.com ***


Other STRATFOR subscribers involved with conspiracy circles include members of Lew Rockwell's Von Mises institute, and the Larouche fraud Webster Tarpley(See also Kennebunkport Hoax):



590746 webstertarpley@yahoo.com ***


676964 vning@mises.com ***

Most of these people have claimed at one time or another to be targets of the CIA/COINTELPRO/Agents  and yet they somehow didn't have the foresight to use a burner email account when registering with a business affiliate of the CIA.

From the Mises website(mises.com and mises.org are owned by the same group):

The Gentleman's Guide To Forum Spies - Mises Community Archive ...
mises.org/.../forums/t/forums/t/32086.aspx
Ludwig von Mises Institute
Oct 18, 2012 - 33 posts - ‎14 authors
The Gentleman's Guide To Forum Spies ... This brings the unrelated postings to the top of the forum list, and the critical posting 'slides' down ...
This is a redirect to this posting.  Maybe the person posted it really believed it, but clearly the people running Mises don't. 

And neither does Webster Tarpley.  He's got one article about "How to identify a CIA limited Hanghout".  But the most priceless one is accusing Wikileaks of being Cognitive Infiltration.  I'd suspect this was revenge for the Anonymous STRATFOR leak, except this article was published 9 months too soon.  In any case, the most suspicious omission from Tarpley's website is any mention of STRATFOR  after the customer email list was leaked. 

Any real activist who knew about STRATFOR would know the business they were in and take a basic precaution of using a fake email.   The fact none of these people used a burner account indicates they all KNEW the conspiracy of 911 and their persecution by or concern about agents was a lie.

The anticipated fall-back position will be :  "That proves THEY are the agents!  Duh!"

Hmm, no.  A real agent would use separate emails to communicate with an "agency" and the people they were "disrupting".   To not do so would get them fired.  These people are reckless amateurs, displaying the usual arrogance of Libertarian/patriot conspiracy frauds thinking they'd never be caught.  You'd think they'd learn after the nth time Anonymous/antifa/ara leaked their emails...

So why did they subscribe to STRATFOR's services?  One probable reason is if you're trying to dupe people into believing a worldwide conspiracy and you claim to have special knowledge, it's really helpful if you do have some privy information to impress the rubes.    Someone with that type of access could hot read rubes all day long.  Who knows, maybe that's how Alex Jones made his fortune.
The point is , by using identifiable emails to subscribe to a CIA affiliated service, these people prove they know they are NOT targets of the CIA.   Therefore their claims of agents/disruptors are lies.   Since this is their basis of proof that a 911 "Inside Job" truth is being suppressed, one can also conclude, since they know these agents don't exist, there is no 9/11 conspiracy for any agents to suppress.

This may seem backwards from the obvious observation outside the conspiracy culture: that there are no agents because there is no conspiracy, but remember it's these individuals who worked overtime, with a variety of confidence games, to convince people "agents were out there".     By subscribing to services with STRATFOR,  a corporation who works closely with the CIA, they showed they never believed in agents or the conspiracy except as a means to defraud people.

The reason there are no agents is because "Trutherism" is a fraud and there is nothing to "suppress".  And the leaders who invented the truther theories knew it. I patiently await the day they all end up in federal prison. It wouldn't be the first time for some of these political frauds.


Feb 14, 2015

Robbie Martin aka videohoax behind Dishonest Creepy Trolling

No, I'm not "exposing" Mr. Martin...he  "exposed" himself.

A little back ground...

Back before I understood the 911 Truth gig was a scam, I wrote a piece published at 9/11 Blogger  titled:  "Heroes: The Metaphor and Evolution in 911 Activism Part 1" .  The commenter "videohoax", a dishonest troll, commented very strangely. One can see the original post here, where the user link is :

http://911blogger.com/users/videohoax

Now if one goes to that URL, one will be sent to Robbie Martin's profile:

Robbie Martin

History

Member for
8 years 23 weeks
Blog
View recent blog entries

And sure enough, if one goes to the ghostpage of the blog, http://911blogger.com/node/19332  , there he is.

Comparison :





 I had no idea my troll was Abby Martin's brother.  Oh, yeh, it's that Robbie Martin:


Iraq Beheading Video Hoax Press Release - Vanderford ...
videohoax.ctyme.com/
This is the first episode of Media Roots radio with hosts Abby and Robbie Martin. First we introduce each other and explain our personal political awakenings ...

So "videhoax" is a reference to the belief the Iraq beheading video is fake.  And this guy thinks it's smart to play creepy games on the Internet while his sister is exploiting a mentally unwell woman to push the conspiracy theories. That looks more and more like funding for a lifestyle...




This is exploitation, pure and simple.  If Martin was a real journalist, she'd have done her research on Lindauer and discovered some disturbing things:

 She was jailed for about a year but was released from custody in 2006 after another judge ruled that the government couldn't force her to be medicated for her delusions so she could stand trial.

In agreeing with the psychiatrist's finding, Preska noted the defendant once stuffed tissues into her mouth when she was admonished not to speak out during a hearing without consulting her lawyer.


 Martin might also become aware Lindauer was unable to answer questions put to her by the Occupy community:


  2 points by SLindauer (12) 3 years ago
I was fulfilling the role usually handled by diplomats. I would communicate messages back and forth between U.S> Intelligence & Libya/Iraq. The Arab govts greatly appreciated my work at the U.N. against sanctions, and I was well known on the Security Council. Whether they liked my politics depended on their position on sanctions, but I was well known there. It's only the American public that was ignorant of what I had done for years.
When the CIA got warnings about 9/11, in April & May of 2001, I was ordered to deliver threats of War to Iraq's diplomats at the United Nations-- in the event that Iraq discovered intelligence about the conspiracy & failed to pass it back through my back channel. I was instructed to say the threat originated, and I quote "at the highest levels of government above the CIA Director and above the Secretary of State." That was the exact wording.
The Bush White House was already setting up Iraq. Of course Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11. Again, even if you're tired of 9/11, you've got to know what actually happened, so that you can understand why the War on Terror has been a public fraud to exaggerate White House & Congressional performance on national security. You can't fight back without the facts. You don't need all the details about 9/11 to do that. But you have to know that it was an act of public deception in total. The whole thing was a con job on the American public.


  1 points by Democracydriven (658) 3 years ago
Thanks for the response Susan but you forgot to answer my questions.
What exactly is a back channel?
Who were you actually working for and who was paying your expenses?
How did you end up in this back channel position?
I am really curious as to how somebody could end up in such a influential position.
After three years, no response.  That by itself suggests Lindauer was being "handled" or coached by one of the frauds.  If she was doing this on her own, she'd have been allowed to ramble until she was banned.  Her coach probably noticed this was not a community that would swallow tin foil easily. 

But that's idle speculation.  What isn't speculation:  it's obvious that Lindauer is not credible.


I've written before I thought Abby Martin was being played by Russia Today.  I'm forced to go farther and conclude Martin is not a journalist, serious or otherwise,  but is a Libertarian opportunist.  Bringing us to her brother, dear Robbie.

Both support Ron Paul, even years after being proven beyond a shadow of the doubt, Paul is a fringe rightwing loon who hobnobs with Nazi sympathizers and made millions publishing his racist newletters. Newsletters Lew Rockwell, another Libertarian "truther" profited from:


In 1984, as he left Congress, Paul also set up Ron Paul & Associates (RP&A), with his wife and daughter and his former congressional chief of staff, Lew Rockwell. The next year, RP&A began publishing several publications including The Ron Paul Investment Letter, The Ron Paul Survival Report, and The Ron Paul Political Report. By 1993, RP&A was earning $940,000 per year.

Yet Martin and Martin are proud "Voices of Liberty, Powered by Ron Paul":

Robbie Martin - Voices of Liberty, Powered by Ron Paul www.voicesofliberty.com/bio/robbie-martin/
Sep 9, 2014 - Robbie Martin. http://www.mediaroots.org. Co-host of Media Roots Radio with Abby Martin. Founder of RecordLabelRecords.org. Writer for ...
This would be laughably hokey, except for the fact that Libertarian Liberty Loons are almost always pushing a hidden racist, reactionary, agenda.

Not hard to find.  Either these two intrepid "journalists" are too incompetent to discover this on their own, or, much more likely, they know they're part of a dishonest propaganda machine connected to sleazy racist frauds. 

Let's go back to dear, dear Robbie's comments on my blog and see what the point of them could be.

  i feel sorry for whoever

i feel sorry for whoever read that rant!
Well!  I never!

But seriously, Robbie aka VH seems to be trolling for discouragement by being dismissive and bitchy.  Little did he know, had he simply been honest about being knowingly involved in a right-wing racist fraud, I would have fled the so called "movement" a long, long time ago.  

But Robbie wanted to keep that under his hat.  Not only that, but he was keenly interested in recruiting leftists to the cause.


  i think with the right

i think with the right marketing push and distribution chain this film could get just as popular as some of the recent liberal/left leaning documentaries like Freedom to Facism, Why we Fight, and Who killed the electric car. I wonder what the disinformation people are doing beyond these initial screenings. I firmly believe we could see something like this at sundance or even cannes
thoughts?

But when he knew he was talking to a left liberal he's dismissive and bitchy?  He's doing it wrong.

Of course the real reason was, by this time, those wittingly involved in the truther fraud has sussed out I would never push Ron Paul, would never let Holocaust denial slide, would never swallow any "red pills".  Robbie/videohoax wasn't the first passive/aggressive "troll" trying to tell me, via a code so obscure Alan Turning would be at a loss, that I was unwelcome.  As I've said before, these people have no one to blame but themselves:
The problem with using left political rhetoric, slogans and ideas is, um...well, the obvious: they set themselves up to get leftists interested in what they had to say.  And if they set up their con well(and for several years they did), those leftists are going to get involved and expect them to walk the lefty anti-racist talk.  And they'll be very unhappy when the movement "leaders" refuse to denounce, and kick out the racists(Barrett, Fetzer, Bollyn, Thorn, Dice, Tarpley, etc, ad nausum).   

Someone didn't think that one through.

Now, with Robbie's wee correction to his 911blogger account, I'm aware of yet one more fraud to add to the list.  A few searches will show his sister is promoted on this website:

http://mycatbirdseat.com/2014/06/hillary-clinton-2016-a-recipe-for-endless-war/

My Catbird Seat June 18, 2014 1
Abby Martin calls out former Secretary of State Hilary Clinton over her lucrative speaking tour in the run up to the 2016 presidential elections as well as outlining the former first lady’s corporate ties
On the same website, Merlin Miller is a contributor:
http://mycatbirdseat.com/2014/05/traitors-in-our-government-allegiance-to-israel/

Traitors in our Government Allegiance to Israel

Merlin Miller May 10, 2014 4 There's a fifth column in America. A Trojan Horse within our laws, composed of dual citizens and foreign nationals.
 Merlin Miller is a racist with direct ties to the White Supremacist American Freedom Party.

This disgusts me to no end.  Of course Robbie and Abby will plead they have no control over who supports their stuff, and how unfair they're being picked on here, "guilt by association", etc.   But maybe they should have thought about that before claiming to be "powered by" a racist scumbag like Ron Paul.

Mind, I would have never known that I was the focus of Robbie's attention if the owners of 911blogger had deleted my account and comments because I do not want anything I've said going to support what is now obviously a fraud.  That request was made some time ago.  I would never have noticed who my troll was if they had been responsive.  Maybe the Martins would like a wee chat with the 911blogger owners about that....

And the owners are perfectly capable of removing blogs/comments/accounts.  For instance, they've removed the only one I left live...about how Craig 'Killtown' Lazo is friends with Lew Rockwell, Ron Paul's right hand man, proving the truther fraud goes to the top of the Libertarian Party:

If this is it....Part 5- “Killtown”, Lew Rockwell and the Ludwig von Mises Institute

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Showing the "never delete" policy is a lie and Keogh and Orangatan are hypocrites.  I suspect it was one comment in particular they found troublesome:

Possibly the most important message in this blog--

http://thinkprogress.org/2007/12/26/ron-paul-95-percent-of-black-men-are...
Indeed, it is shocking to consider the uniformity of opinion among blacks in this country. Opinion polls consistently show that only about 5% of blacks have sensible political opinions, i.e. support the free market, individual liberty, and the end of welfare and affirmative action…. Given the inefficiencies of what D.C. laughingly calls the “criminal justice system,” I think we can safely assume that 95% of the black males in that city are semi-criminal or entirely criminal.
“But, whoever actually wrote them, the newsletters I saw all had one thing in common: They were published under a banner containing Paul’s name, and the articles (except for one special edition of a newsletter that contained the byline of another writer) seem designed to create the impression that they were written by him--and reflected his views. What they reveal are decades worth of obsession with conspiracies, sympathy for the right-wing militia movement, and deeply held bigotry against blacks, Jews, and gays. In short, they suggest that Ron Paul is not the plain-speaking antiwar activist his supporters believe they are backing--but rather a member in good standing of some of the oldest and ugliest traditions in American politics.”
“To understand Paul’s philosophy, the best place to start is probably the Ludwig von Mises Institute, a libertarian think tank based in Auburn, Alabama. The institute is named for a libertarian Austrian economist, but it was founded by a man named Lew Rockwell, who also served as Paul’s congressional chief of staff from 1978 to 1982.”
“The politics of the organization are complicated--its philosophy derives largely from the work of the late Murray Rothbard, a Bronx-born son of Jewish immigrants from Poland and a self-described “anarcho-capitalist” who viewed the state as nothing more than “a criminal gang”--but one aspect of the institute’s worldview stands out as particularly disturbing: its attachment to the Confederacy.”
And
Now I must regretfully caution all 9/11 truth activists of African descent, or who identify as African descent or who LOOK LIKE they could be of African descent: there are bono fide racists(er, supporters of “the Confederacy”) operating in 9/11 truth and we know how dangerous racists can be. Under no circumstances let anyone manipulate you into surrendering your anonymity unless it is your informed decision.
http://coljennysparks.blogspot.com/2010/06/if-this-is-itpart-5-killtown-...


Now you have to think why would anyone who is not a racist want to hide proof of racists in the 911 truth movement?

It's all good...anyone can still read that blog here:

 http://coljennysparks.blogspot.com/2010/06/if-this-is-itpart-5-killtown-lew.html


As for Robbie Martin aka videohoax, I should feel sad for him wasting his life on this fraudulent conspiracy crap.

Then I remember he almost certainly knows it's a front to organize the fringe racist right.  He is likely one of the parties behind the heavy Russian webtraffic, here and here, as his Facebook page has him actually living in Russia:

https://www.facebook.com/FluorescentGrey







In any case, it's a lesson in how not to do diplomacy.  If Robbie's someone's useful idiot, he might consider dropping the gig.

Maybe the next time Robbie thinks about luring leftists into a fringe right propaganda machine just so he can try to bully them when they don't play ball, he'll think twice.

But I doubt it. The grandiose entitlement of "truther" frauds seems without end....



For more on the bankrupt toxicity of the Libertarian Party read this great article:


What's wrong with libertarianism




Jan 19, 2015

The Terror Time Line, "Killtown" and the Oddities of the 9/11 "Movement"

Anyone familiar with Craig "Killtown" Lazo's material takes it as a given he's a fraud.  If he's not exploiting the murder of German exchange students or accusing real estate agents of faking photos, Lazo's inventing blackmail lies.  Kt Lazo thinks the day's been wasted unless he's fabricating something about someone to push whatever Libertard conspiracy agenda he clings to instead of having a life.

While many of us suspected his accusations were some form of projection, little did we think we'd ever find proof that, Killtown is a fraud.  Or at least he's stolen the work of someone else to build his reputation.

Our story begins with one of the most respectable early 9/11 websites,
The Complete 9/11 Timeline
"The Complete 9-11 Timeline" section was
developed and is maintained
 by Paul Thompson.


at the defunct URL:   complete911timeline.org

As readers can see perusing the Wayback machine,  the sole responsibility of the website is claimed by Paul Thompson, a person who was literally sucked into 9/11 Truth via the Internet:

Paul Thompson One man can change the world. Or at least much of its what, when, where, and how. By Doug Cantor | Dec 1, 2004 | 358 words He never studied, trained, or even had any intention to become an authority on terrorism. But never underestimate the power of one man's curiosity. Holed up every night in front of the computer in his San Francisco home, poring over news on the Internet, Paul Thompson grew increasingly frustrated with how incomplete the story of September 11 was. Armed with only a broadband connection, he started to gather every credible fact he could find online. Then he condensed each point of information and put it in chronological order. His Terror Timeline quickly became a monster of about fifteen hundred items, tracing the last quarter century of terrorist activity, incorporating a detailed trail of intelligence failures, and providing a nearly minute-by-minute account of the day of the attacks.
What had started as Thompson's hobby soon became his obsession. Early this year, he quit his job with an environmental protection group, moved halfway around the world to New Zealand, and began dedicating his full attention to a solitary pursuit that paid nothing and seemed unlikely to be seen by more than a handful of people. Finally, he found a small audience through the Center for Cooperative Research, a California-based historical-record-keeping Web site that shared his philosophy of nonpartisanship, information sharing, and reliance on mainstream news sources. The marriage was a fruitful one. People started e-mailing him to point out new information and to make corrections to his data. Open-source historiography had arrived. The result is that Thompson has assembled by far the most comprehensive and detailed record of September 11 and the events surrounding it ever created.
Thompson may have furthered the cause of journalism to a greater degree than if he worked as a journalist himself. His timeline (cooperativeresearch.org) has become a trusted resource for reporters and researchers, and this fall it was published in book form (The Terror Timeline) by HarperCollins. Still, Thompson continues with his self-imposed labor. "If somebody were to say to me, 'Give me your one paragraph on who did it on 9/11,' I don't feel I could tell you," he says. "And I don't want to stop until I know that answer."

I want to feel sorry for him, I really do.  I know someone else with a similar story, and it speaks to the power and volume of fringe right propaganda flooding the Internet then that anyone could be sucked into it's event horizon.

But....

At no point would I have ever given up a stable, well paying job no matter how compelling the evidence appeared.  In fact the only reason the evidence appeared so compelling was the devastating the economic climate in the wake of 9/11.  For a person relatively financially secure to throw it all away and move to a different country...that's some dedication.
 And it raises questions.  Was Thompson's frustration with the incomplete 9/11 story before or after the release of the 9/11 Commission Report in June of 2004, six months before the interview dated Dec 1, 2004?
[Dates vary: Wiki has it at Jan of 2004, while the current page says Nov 2005.  I'm going with the wayback date of Dec 1, 2004]

Another problematic issue is, Thompson's book was promoted  to me as valuable because all his sources were supposedly from mainstream media, but under reported.  In fact, this appears not to be the case.  Whether this was Thompson or one of his boosters misrepresenting his work, more research is needed.

While that article may be hard to pin down, others aren't.  Take the Village Voice article about Thompson, that definitely predates the Release of the 9/11 Commission Report:

Timeline of Tragedy

Picking up the pieces of 9-11, putting them in order, trying to make sense


 WASHINGTON, D.C.—From his outpost on New Zealand's South Island, overlooking the stormy Tasman Sea, Paul Thompson, a young American, might seem like the most unlikely of detectives trying to sort through the historical debris of another hemisphere.
But this former California environmental activist is one of a handful of freelance, unpaid, amateur sleuths who have become a 9-11 Information Central—what amounts to an intelligence apparatus aimed at pinning down what the Bush administration knew and didn't know about 9-11, before and after the attacks. The results of this sleuthing often find their way to the 9-11 families, and in particular, to the by now mythic Jersey Girls, as the leaders of the survivors' families have come to be called.
The researchers are in many ways similar to the team Scott Armstrong, the former Washington Post reporter, recruited in the mid 1980s to uncover the roots of Reagan's secret Iran-Contra deals. The National Security Archive, making extensive use of the the Freedom of Information Act, soon established itself as the lead independent investigatory body, and today stands as a major independent research operation in the nation's capital.
At the hub of the 9-11 research is Thompson's intricate timeline on the website of the Center for Cooperative Research (cooperativeresearch.org). As of April 19, the crisply written timeline consists of 1,382 items, beginning with the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan in 1979 and running up to the present. In addition to the basic, annotated chronology, there are offshoot timelines for each of the four flights that day, along with a minute-by-minute recounting of President Bush's activities on 9-11. Still other timelines delve into official "lies" from 1979 forward.
Thompson, now in his thirties, grew up in Northern California, attended Stanford, and then moved to New Zealand. A self-described "typical mainstream California Democrat" and former environmental activist who worked on trying to save the rain forests in Borneo, Thompson has pieced together his chronology from myriad sources across the globe. He has pored over 5,000 articles and reports so far and spends most of each day on the project, reading hundreds of incoming e-mails and trolling the Web himself.
Several things are notable about this article.  One, Thompson is not mocked as a kook.  The fact is thanks to the Bush administration's combination of epic incompetence and arrogant lack of transparency, many persons on the left of the political spectrum were willing to look at any explanation besides "oops".  No one could be that dumb, was the feeling.  (Turns out they can, but that's another story. )  Hence the Village Voice's indulgence. 

Second Thompson identifies as a Democrat, so it's reasonable to assume his politics are leftist.  Thompson, unlike many "truther" leaders to follow , had no ties to the fringe or Libertarian right.  But by the same token he would know nothing of them and be likely to take anything the said at face value.

Third, the comparrison of Thompson's research to Scott Armstrong of the Washington Post is another indicator that, given the political climate of 2004, Thompson's research was considered reasonable.  If a journalist from the Villiage Voice thought it was reasonable, many other people on the left thought Thompson's concerns were reasonable.  This was before the more extreme "theories" were invented, which is probably a factor.

Fourth, Thompson had "hundreds of incoming emails".  This is where things get murky.  Because, with the exception of people like Thompson, leftists looking for a clue about what happened to their country, the majority of emails from people running 9/11 websites were frauds only to tickled to have found a volunteer front man, from the left of their politics no less.

Take a look at the links on Thompson's website in February 2003.  Among them all the usual fringe right, antisemite pro militia websites are in evidence. Thompson himself notes certain sites positively:
  
Acknowledgements

In no special order:

The Peoples' Investigation of 9/11 Forums to discuss 9/11 and related issues. There is a special section focusing on the 9/11 timeline on these pages.

From the Wilderness The site that inspired this one. Excellent investigative reporting, on the forefront of getting the word out about 9/11.

Center for Cooperative Research Tons and tons of information, very methodical and academic.

Unanswered Questions So many 9/11 questions that need answering. This site is compiling them. The site includes a complete mirror of this timeline.

Sept 11: Unanswered Questions by MalcontentX A penetrating 140-page analysis, beginning with the Air Force response and George W Bush, and then proceeding into the deeper decision-making bodies of the FBI, Pentagon, and the media.

The Center for an Informed America Has an excellent weekly column summing up and providing links to important news stories, many 9/11 related.

What Really Happened This tireless website links to dozens of news stories a day, mostly stories that are important but little reported. An essential website worth checking daily, but it has a tendency to jumps to conclusions in its comments.

Mad Cow Productions Read investigative reporter Daniel Hopsicker's weekly reports here. Hopsicker is doing amazing research in Florida about 9/11 that virtually no one else has uncovered.

Online Journal Lots of excellent investigative reporting.

The Guardian This British newspaper has a "War on America" page with links to all their 9/11 related stories. If only all newspapers made it so easy to find archived stories!

Center for Research on Globalization Independent research by Michel Chossudovsky and others.

Flight 93 Crash Theory Page Everything you want to know about Flight 93 can be found here. This site has even been referred to in mainstream Flight 93 stories on occasion.

The Propaganda Matrix A good site for daily alternative news, some news can be a bit "out there." Check out their Prior Knowledge Archive for 9/11 specifically.

The Jeff Rense Program This site can really be "out there", with lots of news on UFOs, crop circles, and the like. But still, an amazing number of articles on many topics get archived here every day, and there's a huge archive. Scroll down about halfway to get to the news.

The Power Hour This site has large collections of 9/11 photos.

The Movement Well organized 9/11 site.

World Socialist Web Site Is the word "socialist" beyond the pale? It shouldn't be. Excellent new analysis, but sometimes marred by political dogma.

The Emperor's New Clothes This site has done some great, groundbreaking research in the past. But it can also occasionally be spectacularly wrong, as in its recent assertion that 9/11 had nothing to do with oil.

Sniegoski on the Empire I found many articles through Stephen J. Sniegoski's work.

Peter Dale Scott He has been exposing the deep politics behind events for decades. Lately he's been focusing on the drugs and oil connections to 9/11.

9-11.co.uk Lots of things, not only 9/11 related.

Democratic Underground Forums from a liberal perspective; this links to a forum discussing 9/11 and related issues

Antiwar Keep an eye out especially for Justin Raimondo's regular columns - he's been in the forefront of "art student" spy ring stories.

Annotated Timeline of the 9/11 Hijackers One posting on the Free Republic news forum, but a very informative one, outlining the movements of the 9/11 hijackers. (Note that it is selective - the poster has called anyone who believes in government complicity as "scum" and omits any evidence pointing in that direction)

ISI - State Within a State A site devoted to collecting stories on the ISI.

September 11: No Surprise I found a lot of leads here.

Infowars: Resources page Another 9/11 article archive.

Lebanon Wire: Terror Wars Scroll down, and click on "Terror Wars" - the link changes monthly. For some strange reason, you can get a better collection of daily news stories on the "war on terror" in Lebanon than the US.

Oddities of 9/11 I found lots of leads here as well.

Scoop 9/11 and other news with a New Zealand flavor.

War Against Terrorism News Tons of links to mainstream "war on terror" articles, updated weekly.

Killtown Excellent presentation of the Pentagon mystery and Bush's actions on 9/11.

Xymphora Blogspot Random musings by an extremely observant, anonymous individual (whoever you are, e-mail me - I have some thoughts).

A Timeline of Oil and Violence Well organized timeline of the rush to grab Central Asia's oil.

9/11 Timeline This timeline focuses on the day of 9/11, minute by minute

The Anthrax Cases Ed Lake's website on the anthrax attacks is so good that Time magazine had a big article about it.

Bill St. Clair's Home Page This contains many interesting links, including a complete mirror of the 9/11 timeline.
Truthout An daily collection of news stories on all topics

Jeff Rense, The Power Hour and  Daniel Hopsicker, I ask you.  "Hopsicker is doing amazing research in Florida about 9/11 that virtually no one else has uncovered."  Yes, Mr. Thompson, that's because he's making it up as he goes

Sigh.

But who among this list should I find than my best buddy Craig Lazo's website, "Killtown".  It was much sparser back then.  Hosted on koolpages, Lazo was less about  slandering random people then, and more about "just asking questions". It was still headed by his Big L Constitution twaddle:

"To preserve, protect, and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign or domestic."

Plus an awkward Star Wars quote:

LUKE: "It looks like Sandpeople did this, all right. Look, here are Gaffi sticks, Bantha tracks. It's just...I never heard of them hitting anything this big before."

Ben is crouching in the sand studying the tracks.

BEN: "They didn't. But we are meant to think they did. These tracks are side by side. Sandpeople always ride single file to hide there numbers."

BEN: "And these blast points, too accurate for Sandpeople. Only Imperial stormtroopers are so precise."

The main "research" is the so called Pentalawn, Flight 77 and an forgotten website of Lazo's called Bush at Booker.  
What's conspicuously absent is Killtown's 9/11 Oddities.

But they can be found....on Paul Thompson's website in 2003 under
Oddities of 9/11, that links to Fall Out Shelter News.  If that doesn't scream paranoid militia separatist, I don't know what does.

At the full link: http://www.falloutshelternews.com/9_11_ODDITIES.html
they explain:
 Oddities of 9/11
Little-known facts of the world's best-known event
[We don't endorse any particular theories suggested by the links below. Our objective is not to "explain" 9/11, but to show that 9/11 has not yet been satisfactorily explained. The following oddities and inconsistencies show that a thorough and independent investigation of all aspects of 9/11 is not only warranted, but demanded by the facts.]


There's a petition that's defunt, but some parts can be found in Wayback:
 http://www.petitiononline.com/11601TFS/petition.html

This petition is credited to Lori Price, a woman rumoured to have an association with the veteran conartist James Fetzer.  Price's website was also one of the first places 911 oddities was published in 2002, with the same link to Fall Out Shelter News. No where on the page is a mention or link to Lazo's Killtown website.

But by 2005, Killtown's 911 oddities were not only listed on her website, but he had a timeline as well:
Complicit - Associated with or participating in a questionable act or a crime. --Killtown's 9-11 timeline
Killtown's 9-11 Oddities

 The full title is the 9/11 coincidences and oddities page!
And redirects to hosting at 911review.org.  By the time Lazo's "Killtown Oddities" was published, Falloutshelternews appears to be gone.
Much of the material on FSN was probably reworked into Lazo's website, but even I have to grudgingly acknowledge the ambition behind Lazo's project.  It's not research so much as a Libertarian obsessed copy/pasta project.  Eventually it grew to over 200 and something so called "smoking guns".  But it wasn't Lazo's idea.
Unless Lazo had also been part of FSN, but that seems unlikely.   FSN was run by Carol Schiffler with the help of Lori Price.     But it's interesting Lazo ran with Schiffler's idea without ever acknowledging credit.  Someone should start a 911 oddities Fraud blog....

Of course this could have been deliberate.  Maybe Schiffler wanted to move on and Lazo was happy to take over propaganda duties. It's just that years later, what it looks like is Lazo, Schiffler and Price are all working together pushing a conspiracy con. Why? Oh, that's right, because they were.

Back to Thompson. Let's read what he says about these websites:
Oddities of 9/11 I found lots of leads here as well.

Killtown Excellent presentation of the Pentagon mystery and Bush's actions on 9/11.
The first is fair enough; there was little obvious woo then.  But calling Lazo's website an excelent presentation is a stretch.  Amaturish hack would be more accurate:




Another "oddity" of Lazo's page is the contact information:

We need your help!
If you know of any links to news articles, eyewitness reports, or photo's you think would be useful for this investigation, please e-mail us with these links.
And

Please e-mail us with any questions, comments, or suggestions!

Not I or he, but we and us.  This documents Lazo had a partner, or worked with a group.
There are rumors Lazo had help running his blog, probably his very blonde ex.  But this was before Lazo met the Libertard Blonde Bot.   Lazo did not work alone and he probably still doesn't.    

Unlike Lazo, Thompson moved on without being driven offline due to terminally embarrassing behaviour.  But one has to wonder what Thompson thinks about his work since most of it was based on so called research  that is now known to be lies, if not outright Jew Hating propaganda.  At least 8 of the websites Thompson acknowledged are run by anti Semites or people with direct connection to racist friendly pro militia organizations.    From the Wilderness was set up by a man almost certain the victim of a cult confidence gameIt's true there was so much bullshite swimming across the interwebs it was virtually impossible to distinguish a fellow sincere seeker and a deliberate con.

But now it's obvious.  There was no conspiracy, besides trying to hide how incompetent Bush was at protecting national security.  There are no "agents" distrupting the "movement" because there is nothing to disrupt.  In light of this stark reality, it would help greatly if Thompson came forward to put the "911 truth" matter to rest.

There maybe questions remaining about the Bush administration's response to the attacks, but there was no "Inside Job".   It's a pity Thompson left a career and wasted over a decade of his life on a fraud.  I suppose in comparison I should feel lucky.

But the frauds don't get to get away with it....