At Skeptics forum William Seger starts a thread about Fetzer and Barrett's latest "fall out".
I don't have time to detail all their previous "disagreements" and "fall outs", but I certainly hope people posting thing like this are being ironic:
Classic! Is there anything that has more entertainment value that either
one of these two clowns? Fetzer/Barrett...its like Truther
Kindergarten, a couple of 5 year olds yelling "Oh, yeah??" at each
other. Wait...a couple of 5 year olds would show more maturity.
Because anyone familiar with these frauds history know this is a con.
Seger writes:
Their last archived show together was on December 10, with Barrett (a Muslim) reporting from Paris where he was attending a "False
Flag Islamophobia Conference" (which he says is a protest to another
Islamophobia conference that had rejected his paper on "False Flags and
Islamophobia"). Barrett talks about Donald Trump "saying Muslims
shouldn't be allowed into the United States. That means, I guess, I'd
have to stay here in Paris. I couldn't get back in. I'm gonna have to
ask Jim Fetzer to explain what's going on with Donald Trump," It turns
out, Fetzer is down with that plan, so things heat up. Then something
triggers Fetzer into attacking Barrett for being homophobic and Barrett
counters by calling Fetzer a "bombastic loudmouth *******." They managed
to finish the show, but apparently continued the discussion later...
Highlighted text is a strong clue this is just another 'Sode in a long line of fake fights, falling outs and branding games frauds like Fetzer, Craig Lazo (killtown), and Barrett play to keep the rubes confused. It started with the Scholars "split" and hasn't stopped in almost 10 years.
Mark Fisher is better known among the 911 "truther" community as "logicfish".
Fisher was specifically a part of a sub community used by the creepiest of creeps to intimidate and threaten people, hoping to convince them "agents" were out to get them. Fisher's old blogger profile was littered with links and projects to WQ2RX, a video tag cipher invented by either Fisher or his long time mentor Spiney aka Andrew Kelly. (Later, in 2008, Fisher registered a WQ2RX domain, but the tag had already been used for months)
A list of Fisher's blogs follows; though many are just copycat themes Spiney used, there are titles (in italics) were shared by Spiney, :
Some of these projects were dedicated to helping Craig "Killtown" Lazo and friends get away with "murder"...or at least harassment and defamation. The WQ2RX brand was used by at least Fisher, Kelly, "Webfairy", Fred BSregistration and "Ozzybinoswald" aka Greg Thomson. The last is relevant because Thomson had the most and worst videos, a few which were reported for having "sexed up" images of preteen girls.
[For the record, according to one of "Ozzy" Thomson's former acquaintances claimed he was an "information clearing house" for "truther" projects. Thomson's story is he was sent batches of images/information and told to mix them up in videos and he never examined the contents closely. Even if this is true, Thomson is still responsible for the results of his "work".]
This was in the middle of the "Harley Guy" scam project,
http://911-harley-shirt-guy.blogspot.com/
which did not go well(link). Finally, in some desperate attempt at a rubber/glue strategy, Lazo got Fisher and Kelly to spam blogs and Facebook pages claiming his critics might be scientologists and paedophiles and stalkers. This one was set up under Fisher's name.
For reasons that will probably never be explained, Fisher and Kelly then embarked on an Internet Spam crusade claiming to "expose" paedophiles in their community(Hudderfield, United Kingdom) with the flimsiest of "proof".
It's bizarre and baffling. Perhaps they were trying to make their blogs viral to hide their rubbish in the digital noise? If so, they failed spectacularly. Someone did notice, and they were not amused.
A man made vile online claims about people he held a grudge by claiming they were paedophiles.
Now Mark Fisher has been ordered to be detained in hospital.
Fantasist Fisher, of Fenton Road, Lockwood, posted the damaging comments online.
One of his victims, a schoolteacher, has been unable to return to work because of the false allegations made by the 44-year-old
District Judge Michael Fanning told him: “You made harmful and utterly baseless allegations against a number of individuals.
“The allegations you made are a fantasy and in one instance you harmed the career of one of your victims.”
Fisher
was convicted after a trial of nine charges under the Malicious
Communications Act of updating a website with grossly offensive
articles.
He was found guilty of a further charge of harassment.
Oh, this does not look good for the conspiracy stalking crowd. It turns out there are consequences for spinning unfounded lies about people who never agreed to be part of a conspiracy freakshow. It get's better, er, worse:
The court heard that Fisher initially targeted one male victim with his lies.
Vanessa Jones, prosecuting, told Kirklees Magistrates’ Court:
“Mr Fisher published on a couple of blog sites and Facebook some
unpleasant information about this gentleman in relation to paedophile
involvement.”
Fisher put a picture of the victim on the social networking site with a link to the website linked to a known sex offender.
But Fisher claimed that on his page were the details of ‘suspected perverts’ living in Huddersfield.
Ah yes, the good ol semantics defence. It's a favorite of Lazo's ("It's suspected that Val's photo is fake") and casseia ("It's not a lie, it's my opinion.") Turns out in the real world, the legal system is not impressed by disingenuous semantics.
Fisher's target tried to resolve things like a normal person. I could have told him how that would have ended:
The
victim told Fisher that the allegations were false and asked him to
take the information off the site, which Fisher refused to do.
But what's interesting, and surprising, is some of Fisher's friends had tried an intervention...this hardly ever happens in the conspiracy scene:
Others who knew Fisher responded and told him they were not happy about him making these claims.
Mrs Jones said: “Four other people who knew Mr Fisher expressed their displeasure.
“They were added to the list that Mr Fisher felt were part of paedophile involvement.
Ouch, but not surprising to anyone who has observed the conspiracy Borg in action. If you aren't with them, you are against them. Needless to say the judge was not convinced:
Judge Fanning told him: “The allegations you made against them are a fantasy, linking them to paedophilia.”
He
said that some of the victims were wrongly linked to terrorism while
Fisher accused another of causing the death of her husband, when he was
killed by a tragic accident.
In Making the hospital order, the
judge said: “I am satisfied that you will continue to offend against
these individuals or cast your net wider to involve those against whom
you hold a grudge.”
But how did Mark Fisher go so far astray?
The Long Slide Into Conspiracy Fantasies and Mental Imbalance
Fisher didn't become this way over night. They say he's mentally ill and that could explain a lot:
The court heard that Fisher, who had no previous convictions, suffers from mental illness.
But I'm
hesitant to give Fisher that excuse. Fisher knew he was spreading lies
about people when he worked with Spiney on the WQ2RX project, and when he
helped spread Craig Lazo's blackmail stalking lies on Facebook and
sundry websites. So it's hard for me to imagine Fisher didn't know he
was lying about calling these people paedophiles.
I think it's more likely Fisher, much like Lazo, Thomson, and many other players in the online "truther" game, became habituated to shooting their mouths off about any crazy BS. Since they rarely were held accountable, they started to believe they were untouchable. Craig Lazo all but brags about it, posing disingenuous rhetoricals like, "If it's not true Val faked her photo why don't her friends defend her?" Lazo can't fathom the obvious: because she's warned them to stay out of it. Wynahusen isn't much better: "If 'killtowns' wrong, why hasn't Google removed his blog?", conveniently ignoring the well known fact contacting Google is a nightmare.
Well, she's not really ignoring it, is she? Lazo and Wynhausen know damn well how difficult it is to pursue a complaint with Google...that's why the worst of their lies about people are hosted on Google websites. Fisher was part of this strategy and was active so long it's possible his participation in craziness took it's toll.
Becoming the mask is always a risk for people pretending to be something they're not, even if they have good intentions. If they have malicious intentions, one can only wonder at the psychic toll over the years. The WQ2RX brand was conceived by Oct of 2007, along with dog4tree and other channels set up to spread it. Most people involved were active at Youtube and Livevideo.
Fisher's Youtube account is connected with Google+. His livevideo account was:
In early 2007 his Livevideo had a Mature Content Warning, shades of the porn problems to come. There are videos of 9/11 conspiracies, mixed with crop circle and UFO woo. By the end of 2007 September Clues was out, and being promoted like crazy in Fisher's likes, along with bizarre conspiracies about Robin Hood and Apollo 13.
By this time Fisher was well in an committed to the "woo" lifestyle. Even years later, after the demise of Lazo's 911movement forum, they kept a hand in.
Fisher's friend Kelly would post as Spiney once in the new "Clues" forum:
One blog is more obvious being full of WQ2RX and "Ozzy" videos:
http://911videomashupdates.blogspot.com/
A sample:
OzzybinOswald2 exposes impossible 9/11 helicopter fake FOX
From: bunny4carrot
Added: November 25, 2007
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dyttxUHcoXc
MEENA Wq2rx SEXY Tvfakery SAREE Ak1rd FCS Akørd NIPPLES Kv4ri
Added: November 25, 2007
Submitted By: rabbit8carrot to rabbit8carrot's Channel
The obsession with sex and porn themes mixed with the WQ2RX tag had legs and never really stopped.
For the record, I don't think it was "sex" per se, so much as the idea of tagging videos as sexy or porn related to get greater distribution. From a pure logical perspective it's not a bad plan, if all you're interested in is spreading videos like wildfire, regardless of quality or intent. The problem is, while yes, is you tag or title a video "911 fakery XXX Hot Babes want you NOW", while the video will get attention, it will only get attention from people looking for "XXX Hot Babes". No one clicking the video will have the slightest interest in the September 11th attacks or truther "theories". Once they fail to see HOT BABES, they go away.
Once Ozzy had a meltdown on Lazo's 911movement forum over this, when a member pointed this out. "Ozzy" ranted about how Nico was doing the work of fifty men or summat(confirming Nico had been part of the WQ2RX crew) and the member should just STFU. In hindsight this is all rubbish: The WQ2RX videos(a project most likely instigated by Fetzer) had no intention of being a medium to push "truth". Their sole purpose was to spread propaganda and lies as a creepy intimidation tactic. Members were supposed to either spam them and cheer the project on, or shut up.
No one wants to admit they knew Spiney and Logicfish now: In this archived Reality Shack thread, Simon himself pretends to think a photoshop of Mark Fisher is actually "Ozzy":
I may take my spaceship and land right in front of
the VALLEY FORGERY CON-ference HALL !!
This is a video I just found - apparently made by 'our enemies'...:
Star Trek: WQ2RX Enterprise
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GtXATrfC9HQ
Damn! I just LOVE these 'enemies' of ours... I always dreamt of taking a ride in the Star Trek spaceship...
And now I even get to be Simon S(p)hock !
ps:
I guess that's supposed to be KT in the foreground? Is that you in the
background, Ozzy, with the beard? If so, what a serene and endearing
face !
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http://www.septemberclues.info
From the screen of the video posted, it's rather obvious to anyone who knows Logicfish aka Mark Fisher, the bearded guy is Fisher, albeit a younger, less manic Fisher:
Remember, all these people knew each other at Livevideo and Craig Lazo's forum. Shack's movie was only promoted by a small fringe of truthers; he knew exactly who was photoshopped in that screengrab. These people are running a scam and Fisher was involved. And it is impossible to believe Fisher did not know this was a scam. For whatever reason, Fisher hitched his wagon to "Spiney" and never looked back.
Spiney and Logicfish
They had an old website called SEO Follow. It's dead now, but on their about page one could get some insight into the relationship between these two men:
Spiney & Logicfish have been geeky friends for – let’s just say a
‘long time’ with a combined experience of 50 years computing generally
& over 25 years professionally developing multimedia, software
applications, Content Management Systems & a myriad of websites.
What's interesting is "Spiney" Kelly was always the dominant part of the pair; Kelly would be the one to do the most Internet tough talk. But it was Fisher who registered, and was responsible for their domains. Fisher may have done most of the actual computer work, while Spiney took the glory.
The tone of the about page is almost certainly Kelly writing. Fisher is less bold even online. If it's true they've been friends for most of their lives, they could have had a codependent relationship where perhaps Fisher felt safe with big brother Kelly to look after him and give him direction. Such people have weak egos and soft ethical standards, if any. It's hard to imagine Fisher telling Spiney "no" and his actions certainly support his willing involvement in several questionable, if not outright unethical online projects, with no hint of objection:
2007-2009? WQ2RX stalking videos
2010-2011 Setting up a couple of Facebook stalking pages
2011 Believes in magical ways to make money online:
https://www.facebook.com/notes/mark-fisher/the-secrets-of-cash-blogging/10150202965521980
2011-late: Fisher was helping Kelly, help Lazo set up vindictive Facebook pages, calling for people to stalk Lazo's enemies, claiming in a great exercise of projection they used "blackmail and death threats to close down websites" and they have "joined pedo chat rooms" .
This group is gone, but there is a screen:
It's hard to be angry with Fisher. From his avatar he looks quite deranged and clearly is parroting Lazo's lies with Kelly's encouragement. None of the people who joined his group look like they have all their marbles either. Unfortunately, some crazies do become violent, hence the reporting and deletion of their page. The sick part is that of the two Spiney knows what he's doing and set Fisher up to take the fall. The really sick part is that Fisher, being emotionally dependent on Spiney, might not have cared.
But what happens when the dominant partner in a grifter gang dies?
KELLY
ANDREW
(SPINEY)
April 26, 2014.
Aged
45 years. Suddenly whilst at home with his partner Carayna Zyeustt,
Andrew Nicholas, only son of Edward and the late June Rose Kelly, much
loved and sadly missed. Funeral at Huddersfield Crematorium on Thursday,
May 15 at 10.00 a.m. Friends please accept this intimation.
The loss of a dominate party affects people differently. Some finally come out of their shell and take charge of their lives. Others collapse in on themselves and pass away soon after. But some take on the dominate traits of the deceased, though not necessarily with the same effectiveness. This appears to be the path Fisher has taken, to mimic his idol but without his idol's talent.
Kelly was able to harass people online for years without ever seeing the inside of a jail cell, much less a mental ward. Oh, he lost websites, he lost Facebook accounts, but Kelly was savvy: he distanced himself as far as possible from the end results of his actions via patsies. That's why all his website were registered in Mark Fisher's name. That gives the lawyers a nice merry-go-round. Fisher was too direct, perhaps impatient for the adrenaline rush he was used to. And he rushed straight into a mental ward for it.
What the future holds
From the article:
Fisher will be kept in hospital for an
initial six-month term. Upon his release he must comply with a
restraining order, banning him from contacting six named victims.
Fisher is also banned from posting any images or material about them online.
In
addition he is prohibited from maintaining the material already
published by him, meaning that any offensive posts will need to be taken
down.
The future for Mr. Fisher is uncertain. He's not only without his long time friend and mentor Kelly, he's also without the extended support network that reinforced Fishers belief in invincibility. This could be a good thing if Fisher's responsive to therapy. Without the conspiracy crazies filling his head with grandiose crazy talk, Fisher could see how wasted his life has been and cut himself off from the conspiracy Borg that took over and destroyed his life. He could make new friends, find sane computer nerds to socialize with. If Fisher wants to this could be a golden opportunity to turn his life around.
I am cautiously optimistic but also realistic. Most people in Fisher's situation have very little ego keeping them together. That's how they fell into their situation in the first place. Whether they did it for thrills or to belong or to lash out, they don't have the internal emotional resources to cope with stress and anxiety, and so they lash out at "faceless" targets online.
Since at least 2007 Fisher has been part of a toxic, manipulative conspiracy network that operates much like a cult. A person who has been involved with a predatory group for 8 years and has not noticed something is wrong, clearly cannot do this by themselves. Whether, even after intervention, they will be able to see the problem remains to be seen.
It is far more likely they will rally their defence mechanisms to avoid, deflect and project blame; make excuses like "free speech" and claim to be persecuted. For people like this confronting the fact they have wasted their lives for nothing is just too horribly painful to face. At least without help.
A bad sign already is the directive that "any offensive posts will need to be taken
down", presumably at the end of Fisher's treatment. I'm not sure why they shouldn't forcibly be taken down ASAP, perhaps as a condition of no further legal action against Fisher. That would be more than reasonable.
I hope for Fisher's sake, and frankly everyone else that encounters him, he's about to get the help he needs. Fisher is up for evaluation and possible release in October. I guess we'll find out then.
*************
Archived connections on Livevideo, other associations and commentary.
The Livevideo website died several years back, no one really knows why. However much evidence of the Activities of Fisher's associates remain in wayback:
Spiney(Andrew Kelly) : http://www.livevideo.com/spineyextra
Viewing his channel in wayback, he has a link to a blog whining about censorship on Livevideo. The first post implies
some videos got blacklisted. What? The guy has a thing for WQ2RX and
PORN and his videos got blacklisted? Poor baby. This is also where we
have a good inkling Kelly is an anti semite if the art for this blog is
an indication:
Shacks Livevideo channel: http://livevideo.com/socialservice
instructive statement from archive:
Sunday, June 10, 2007 at 3:04 PM
Important note : having read some
comments on well-known sites linking this research to various
organizations, I want to stress that :
I am not linked to any special
interests or, in fact, to anyone whatsoever. I'm a LONE researcher am
not affiliated to organizations of any kind. Of course, I have a few
very smart friends out there which have helped me through - you know
who you are, I love you all.
Now, if anyone questions the
authenticity of the TV footage used for this research - go to the 911
Chronology Sources Television Archive it's there for all to see :
http://www.archive.org/details/sept_11_tv_archive
BUT BE WARNED : the entire FOX5
helicopter-shot has been edited out and replaced with planeless shot
(only fireball) similar to CBS's - while commentary has remained
unaltered...
(We'll be looking for
the full clip of the "Harley Guy". And if it is there, it will prove
that anyone pretending to not know who Mark Humphrey is knew they were
creating a scam.)
Lazo's support an promotion of September Clues on his blog:
Her channel, now only in wayback,
promoted September Clues fanatically, even though she only had one
friend, "ewing2001". However a screenshot of her channel at another
time shows she was "friends " with Fisher's partner "Spiney":
Jennifer's participation seems to be gathering and feeding information in addition to boosting search results with "likes".
Keep in mind at all times the people involved with making and trying to
sell September Clues to the truther crowd knew they were pushing a
fraud.
Wynhausen and Lazo aren't the only
Libertarians who jumped on this bandwagon. Lew Rockwell, Rick Siegel
and Fred Smart are others; it was Smart who dragged "Webfairy"
into the truther con where she'd be exploited by Fetzer and others. The high percentage of Libertarian truthers in positions of influence implies a political "long con".
I
still don't see what Libertarians tangibly get out of this--money,
political capital, whatever--- but the Libertarian/fringe right
involvement pushing the theories is too well documented to dismiss. It's
possible they had a "plan" that never worked or panned out, or was
abandoned midway, leaving the participants to lunge about online like a
chicken with it's head cut off. And, like with real conspiracies and
crimes, not every detail will always be explained or make sense. But
this is a persistently baffling one. It may say less about their
craftsmanship at building a "long con" and more about the Libertarian
mindset's bias to grandiose and magical thinking, believing
they are just so special they'll get away with anything "just cuz".
stallion4: part of the WQ2RX crew at livevideo https://web.archive.org/web/20070613083959/http://www.livevideo.com/stallion4
...made a video called "An Angry Secret in the Lair of the Thermite Sniffers: WQ2RX"
The link, http://thehuddersfielddailyexaminer.magnify.net/ goes to a dead page but in wayback one can see it's yet another project of Spiney's spreading lies and WQ2RX rubbish.
Nico Ripped Off By Gary Welz' Cheesy WQ2Rx Thermite Posted 2007-10-18. Rated 9.1 by 1 person. No comments. Post a comment. OzzybinOswald2 wrote: Dog22Peach's weekly report:
http://www.thewebfairy.com/911 /home.htm SEPT 11 2001 WQ2RX MEDIA CELL MURDERED AMERICANS IN THE WORLD TRADE CENTER, not ATTA or United Flight 175.
[The only thing this Petros person is notable for at Truthaction is getting himself banned for trolling, at which his buddy "casseia" whines somewhere on the Internet:
I think for the sake of posterity it might be worthwhile to document
"the score" for the sake of people who don't know, because it's just so
patently outrageous -- the last outrage being the banning of Petros,
purely on the basis of his association with me or this site or perhaps
Col. Jenny's personal antipathy. YT's monster ego doesn't help.
The underlined text refers to a specific lie this individual tried to float in Aug 2007, though this comment is dated March 2008(points for persistence!), but that's another convoluted story. Suffice it to saw no one had any antipathy for Petrol, or "casseia" for that matter, until it was clear they were liars running a scam with the same people they were "denouncing". The sleazeball would go on to entertain White Supremacist supporters(Kevin Barrett) before being exposed as a conartist, which at this late date is a surprise to no one.]
The constant reference back to people in Craig Lazo's Portland group made it all but inevitable the WQ2RX garbage would be exposed as a scam created by Lazo's friends, including Mark Fisher, sooner rather than later. Perhaps the stupidest example was when Ozzybinoswald included in his videos requests for information directly addressing Craig Lazo's associates Ginny Ross and Steve Keller:
Just Google Ginny Ross and Craig Lazo...
Mark Fisher's Logicfish friendfeed account:
friendfeed.com/logicfish
The website was closed down April 9th, but a screen of his account, with other members of the WQ2RX crew survives:
Videos of related Police Investigation
Fisher has unwisely uploaded videos to his vimeo account of police investigating his home after his arrest last year, or, as Fisher prefers to call it, his "detainment". From the time stamps on the videos, Fishers trouble with law enforcement started in October of 2014.
He also has a video of the actual arrest...were the "meanie" coppers let him get his shoes before they take him to the station. Oh, and, Fisher makes a point of being "disabled". Whatever.
An internet troll who branded innocent people paedophiles and terrorists has been convicted of harassment.
Fantasist Mark Fisher, 44, posted damaging comments online about people he held a grudge against....
Let's be clear: I believe "Simon Shack" is a conartist and I have no sympathy for him or his "theories". However, his account about how Craig Lazo's forum disappeared differs so radically from Lazo's "blackmail" lies it's a point of amusement:
Good
question, Hoi - and I truly appreciate your philosophical take on this
question, although your specific interrogation is, of course: "should it exist"? I'll pass on that particular question (as I certainly think it should exist!)
and tackle another aspect of this issue, as I feel compelled to remind
everyone of WHY it exists. So, with my feet firmly planted on Earth (as
the boringly rational person that I am), let me just summarize some past
events which probably VERY FEW current Cluesforum members are aware
about. Perhaps only our longtime members Brianv and Antipodean will
recall any of this - but I will gladly share with you all my historical
perspective about the various forum 'dramas' prior to Cluesforum's
birth. As it is, I have hardly ever done so - as I've always tried to
stay clear of the mind-numbing 'internal truther-gossip and feuds' -
most obviously designed to wear out anyone investigating 9/11 and turn
them away in disgust from the so-called "9/11 truth movement".
Back
in 2007, there were only TWO forums which would allow any discussion
about the lame / fake imagery of 9/11 (or the 'no-plane' paradigm): "9/11 researchers. com" and "9/11movement. org". Let me repeat and emphasize: these were the two only places on the entire frigging internets
where such debates were allowed. ( I was a total newbie in "9/11 truth
circles" at the time - and had no idea that I was typing my words into
dumb gatekeeping forums...). Of course, the 'original no-planer' Nico
Haupt (under his "ewing2001" moniker) participated there - and I
remember how frustrated I was about the utterly incomprehensible
gibberish he kept posting on those two sites. And where is Nico Haupt
now? Has he gone into early retirement?
To make a long story
short, BOTH of these two forums (where I had actively posted my musings,
perhaps unwisely anticipating my ongoing 9/11 research) were
'mysteriously' shut down - in short order - between May and July 2007 (note: I released my September Clues movie in June 2007).
Here are two relevant links I was able to find today - discussing these two 'mysterious' shut-downs:
Apparently, it was this John Albanese guy who had the latter (Rick Siegel's 911researchers.com) shut down.
If you ask me, the John Albanese-versus-Rick Siegel act was a classic, most blatant dog-and-pony show:[video: full link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x3SbjhdPRa0 ]
With the disappearance of those two forums, Hoi and I decided to open
our own forum, "Reality Shack" - which was later renamed "Cluesforum". I
remember thinking - and fearing - that this would become a massive,
unmanageable burden to maintain and administrate. In fact, at the time
we called it "an experiment". Well, the experiment seems to have worked
out pretty well after all - even if it has certainly turned out to be a
demanding (and unpaid) job to keep it going - and existing. I, for one,
have enjoyed every minute of it - and have learned a LOT from our
sharpest forum contributors. Thanks to all. Now...ehrm... is it at all
surprising that our forum is being targeted / attacked from all sides -
considering the zillion-dollar "hoax-industry" that we are
systematically exposing? I don't think so. I'd be surprised if it
weren't. The simple fact that those clowns evidently feel the NEED to
attack us (instead of ignoring us altogether) is, in itself, a very good
sign that we are on the right track.
As for the 911movement.org forum shutting down, there really never was any sensible explanation as to why
it disappeared (along with hours of tireless research / hard work of
mine which just went "poof" - down the drain / lost in cyberspace). At
the time, I never thought of backing up my writings on my own hard
disk... According to Killtown (where is Killtown now, btw?), that
"911movement.org forum had been set up by "Slick" - a former admin of
the Loosechange forum. One rumor going the rounds at the time was that
"Slick's" wife had become pissed off with him - and told him to choose
to keep "either her / or the forum". Well, where is this "Slick" entity
now? Has he gone into early retirement?
Of course, we then had the Loosechange forum posting THIS hilarious 'final warning' in their forum rules...
So what am I trying to say here? Well, I think it should be obvious that
the 9/11 perps probably prefer that NO forum such as ours would exist.
Now, were the two aforementioned forums limited-hangouts /
controlled-oppositon hubs? I'd say that yes - they were most likely so.
To be sure, Rick Siegel (in his 9/11 Eyewitness" movie")
posed as an "amateur-videographer" who had allegedly filmed some
'mysterious flashes' emanating from a helicopter (see "PAT", in my
September Clues Addendum) hovering above the towers before they came
down. Rick Siegel also 'attacked' Ellen Mariani - and this triggered a big mainstream media outrage on the New York Post, no less! As for Killtown - who made some amazing work compiling and referencing the extant 9/11 video material
- where is he now? Has he gone into early retirement? Or was he also a
(refined / sophisticated) gatekeeper enrolled by the perp-controlled
9/11 "truth movement"?
To be sure, we have never stopped
researching - fearlessly so - well beyond the wretched 9/11 scam. Over
the years, we have made quantum leaps towards undressing a whole series
of other major bluffs and skulduggeries which are dumbing down this
beautiful world of ours. Yes, dear Hoi: I think that what we do here -
quite simply - is to reclaim the beauty of this world. I personally
refuse to live out my life on this gorgeous planet without reacting to
its stoopid and destructive elements. Call me a Newtonian
action-reaction supporter if you will!
Are we (Cluesforum) also destined to disappear from this planet? Well, not as long as I live. I can tell you that much.
****************
If you wonder what this RICK SIEGEL guy is up to - (apart from playing the role of a "9/11 truther")
TV CEO Rick Siegel
is interviewed by Squawk Box Europe: "Setting a historical record as
the first online video network broadcasting 24 Hours a day from Europe
and the USA using advanced proprietary software and paid membership
driven technology." http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZgWX_j0QKXE
It's obvious Shack is distancing himself from the "Killtown" circus. Note he won't say Lazo's name while wondering what happened to him.
(It's obvious Lazo's lies caught up with him : "Why would anyone want to address the 'challenge' of a lying, stalking, child pornographer like Craig "Killtown" Lazo?
")
Nor will Shack repeat Lazo's blackmail garbage, which is grand. Instead Shack has made his own narrative that allows him to operate freely. It's not accurate, and I have information in my possession proving many points to be, um...untruthful.
But as long as Shack doesn't drag anyone else into his club under false pretenses, we'll let him save face in peace.
The trouble is these people rarely are content to spin their conspiracy garbage privately. For instance, as a result of the truly sick exploitation of the Sandy Hook victims, information about Mr. Fetzer has already been sent to the FBI.
If Shack ever decides to follow in Fetzer's footsteps, Italy will not be as safe as he thinks, and Interpol will not be amused.
