Get a Clue: Simon Shack refutes Craig "Killtown" Lazo's 911movement.org "Blackmail" Story

Let's be clear:  I believe "Simon Shack" is a conartist and I have no sympathy for him or his "theories".  However, his account about how Craig Lazo's forum disappeared differs so radically from Lazo's "blackmail" lies it's a point of amusement:

Re: Should CluesForum exist?

by simonshack on March 8th, 2014, 2:18 pm

*WHY does Cluesforum exist ?

Good question, Hoi - and I truly appreciate your philosophical take on this question, although your specific interrogation is, of course: "should it exist"? I'll pass on that particular question (as I certainly think it should exist!) and tackle another aspect of this issue, as I feel compelled to remind everyone of WHY it exists. So, with my feet firmly planted on Earth (as the boringly rational person that I am), let me just summarize some past events which probably VERY FEW current Cluesforum members are aware about. Perhaps only our longtime members Brianv and Antipodean will recall any of this - but I will gladly share with you all my historical perspective about the various forum 'dramas' prior to Cluesforum's birth. As it is, I have hardly ever done so - as I've always tried to stay clear of the mind-numbing 'internal truther-gossip and feuds' - most obviously designed to wear out anyone investigating 9/11 and turn them away in disgust from the so-called "9/11 truth movement".

Back in 2007, there were only TWO forums which would allow any discussion about the lame / fake imagery of 9/11 (or the 'no-plane' paradigm): "9/11 researchers. com" and "9/11movement. org". Let me repeat and emphasize: these were the two only places on the entire frigging internets where such debates were allowed. ( I was a total newbie in "9/11 truth circles" at the time - and had no idea that I was typing my words into dumb gatekeeping forums...). Of course, the 'original no-planer' Nico Haupt (under his "ewing2001" moniker) participated there - and I remember how frustrated I was about the utterly incomprehensible gibberish he kept posting on those two sites. And where is Nico Haupt now? Has he gone into early retirement?

To make a long story short, BOTH of these two forums (where I had actively posted my musings, perhaps unwisely anticipating my ongoing 9/11 research) were 'mysteriously' shut down - in short order - between May and July 2007 (note: I released my September Clues movie in June 2007).

Here are two relevant links I was able to find today - discussing these two 'mysterious' shut-downs:

ABOUT THE 911MOVEMENT.ORG shutdown:
http://killtown.blogspot.it/2007/05/abo ... ntorg.html

ABOUT THE 911RESEARCHERS.COM shutdown:
http://arabesque911.blogspot.it/2007/07 ... -down.html


Apparently, it was this John Albanese guy who had the latter (Rick Siegel's 911researchers.com) shut down.
If you ask me, the John Albanese-versus-Rick Siegel act was a classic, most blatant dog-and-pony show:[video: full link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x3SbjhdPRa0 ]


With the disappearance of those two forums, Hoi and I decided to open our own forum, "Reality Shack" - which was later renamed "Cluesforum". I remember thinking - and fearing - that this would become a massive, unmanageable burden to maintain and administrate. In fact, at the time we called it "an experiment". Well, the experiment seems to have worked out pretty well after all - even if it has certainly turned out to be a demanding (and unpaid) job to keep it going - and existing. I, for one, have enjoyed every minute of it - and have learned a LOT from our sharpest forum contributors. Thanks to all. Now...ehrm... is it at all surprising that our forum is being targeted / attacked from all sides - considering the zillion-dollar "hoax-industry" that we are systematically exposing? I don't think so. I'd be surprised if it weren't. The simple fact that those clowns evidently feel the NEED to attack us (instead of ignoring us altogether) is, in itself, a very good sign that we are on the right track.

As for the 911movement.org forum shutting down, there really never was any sensible explanation as to why it disappeared (along with hours of tireless research / hard work of mine which just went "poof" - down the drain / lost in cyberspace). At the time, I never thought of backing up my writings on my own hard disk... According to Killtown (where is Killtown now, btw?), that "911movement.org forum had been set up by "Slick" - a former admin of the Loosechange forum. One rumor going the rounds at the time was that "Slick's" wife had become pissed off with him - and told him to choose to keep "either her / or the forum". Well, where is this "Slick" entity now? Has he gone into early retirement?

Of course, we then had the Loosechange forum posting THIS hilarious 'final warning' in their forum rules...

So what am I trying to say here? Well, I think it should be obvious that the 9/11 perps probably prefer that NO forum such as ours would exist. Now, were the two aforementioned forums limited-hangouts / controlled-oppositon hubs? I'd say that yes - they were most likely so. To be sure, Rick Siegel (in his 9/11 Eyewitness" movie") posed as an "amateur-videographer" who had allegedly filmed some 'mysterious flashes' emanating from a helicopter (see "PAT", in my September Clues Addendum) hovering above the towers before they came down. Rick Siegel also 'attacked' Ellen Mariani - and this triggered a big mainstream media outrage on the New York Post, no less! As for Killtown - who made some amazing work compiling and referencing the extant 9/11 video material - where is he now? Has he gone into early retirement? Or was he also a (refined / sophisticated) gatekeeper enrolled by the perp-controlled 9/11 "truth movement"?

To be sure, we have never stopped researching - fearlessly so - well beyond the wretched 9/11 scam. Over the years, we have made quantum leaps towards undressing a whole series of other major bluffs and skulduggeries which are dumbing down this beautiful world of ours. Yes, dear Hoi: I think that what we do here - quite simply - is to reclaim the beauty of this world. I personally refuse to live out my life on this gorgeous planet without reacting to its stoopid and destructive elements. Call me a Newtonian action-reaction supporter if you will!

Are we (Cluesforum) also destined to disappear from this planet? Well, not as long as I live. I can tell you that much.

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If you wonder what this RICK SIEGEL guy is up to - (apart from playing the role of a "9/11 truther")

Rick Siegel - and Windows95: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bkp3k-GWDRo

TV CEO Rick Siegel is interviewed by Squawk Box Europe: "Setting a historical record as the first online video network broadcasting 24 Hours a day from Europe and the USA using advanced proprietary software and paid membership driven technology." http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZgWX_j0QKXE

It's obvious Shack is distancing himself from the "Killtown" circus.  Note he won't say Lazo's name while wondering what happened to him.

(It's obvious Lazo's lies caught up with him : "Why would anyone want to address the 'challenge' of a lying, stalking, child pornographer like Craig "Killtown" Lazo? ")

 Nor will Shack repeat Lazo's blackmail garbage, which is grand.  Instead Shack has made his own narrative that allows him to operate freely.  It's not accurate, and I have information in my possession proving many points to be, um...untruthful. 

But as long as Shack doesn't drag anyone else into his club under false pretenses, we'll let him save face in peace.

The trouble is these people rarely are content to spin their conspiracy garbage privately.  For instance, as a result of the truly sick exploitation of the Sandy Hook victims, information about Mr. Fetzer has already been sent to the FBI.

If Shack ever decides to follow in Fetzer's footsteps, Italy will not be as safe as he thinks, and Interpol will not be amused.

911Blogger.com's Orangutan comes out of the "American Free Press" fringe closet

I've gotta work on that title.  Too wordy.

As the years go by, the right wing fringe front DNA becomes more and more obvious at the "truther" website 911blogger.com.   But, up until now, the owners have played face-saving games and disclaimers, no matter what was posted.  This has included some truly despicable shite, of which calling the Sandy Hook shootings fake is the bottom of the barrell.

Well today it isn't just anyone pulling this rubbish.  The website co-owner Orangatan is not only is pushing the "Hooker" scam, but links to the Larouche/Cato/fringe loonie website American Free Press to do so:


http://911blogger.com/news/2013-01-17/why-sandy-hook-massacre-spawned-conspiracy-theories-benjamin-radford-livescience-bad-science-columnist

School Safety Expert Threatened for Questioning Sandy Hook
School safety expert who was invited by the U.S. Department of Justice to train over 3,500 school police officers, superintendents and principals, Wolfgang W. Halbig, threatened by police investigators for questioning Sandy Hook official story.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6roDPt1WYYY

Ex Florida state trooper/investigator on the verge of blowing Sandy Hook wide open after receiving multiple official threats. Incredible information.

Wolfgang W. Halbig doesn't believe anyone was killed at Sandy Hook Elementary School on December 14, 2012, and he's looking for some answers. So many answers, in fact, that he was paid a visit by some police investigators telling him to back off.
Mr. Halbig isn't your average "conspiracy theorist." He's worked in public education as a teacher, dean, assistant principal, principal of an alternative school and as the Director for School Safety and Security for the Seminole County Public Schools, a school district of approximately 65,000 students.
A former Florida State Trooper and United States Customs Inspector, Mr. Halbig was invited by the U.S. Department of Justice to train over 3,500 school police officers, school superintendents and school principals. He travels the country providing presentations and keynotes to a variety of school board associations and conferences and is a nationally-recognized school safety and security expert and consultant, who has provided safety training and school assessments for more than 4,000 school districts nationwide.
Dave Gahary spoke with Wolfgang about why he doesn't believe the official story of the Sandy Hook Elementary School event, in this interesting interview (43:23).
http://americanfreepress.net/?p=15503

Orangutan. on Sat, 02/15/2014 - 9:52am.

 

 "Wolfgang W. Halbig doesn't believe anyone was killed at Sandy Hook Elementary School on December 14, 2012, and he's looking for some answers. So many answers, in fact, that he was paid a visit by some police investigators telling him to back off."

 

Oh please.  There's zero "investigative" work behind this conspiracy.  I can't imagine anyone who is not a Nazi, Closet Nazi, racist sympathizer, etc, linking to the AFP website and it's highlighted garbage where you will learn about:

Jim Tucker's Bilderberg Secrets Revealed!

Rudolf Hess: His Betrayal and Murder

The BarnesReview.com "Real History Like You've Never Seen Before!" [spoiler: it's all the Jew's fault]

The FINAL New World Order

POKER FACE

New World Order Assassins  by Victor Thorn

"Orangutan" just doesn't care who knows he's fronting for the fringe any more and his endorsement of the Sandy Hook "Hoax" nastiness proves it.  The "Hookers" have their roots in anti Semite political garbage.

 

Holocaust denier and "truther" Jim Fetzer was blaming the Sandy Hook shooting on Israel/Mossad/Jews:

 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_H._Fetzer#Conspiracy_claims

 

Atop backing allegations that the 7/7 London bombings in 2005, the Sandy Hook school shooting in 2012, and the Boston Marathon bombing in 2013 were acts of governments' covert terrorism,^[37][38] he initially suggested for Sandy Hook a role by Israel's Mossad or in any case, via claimed inconsistencies, a governmental stratagem, perhaps to frighten Americans into further gun restrictions.^[39] He later claimed that the Sandy Hook massacre was a sham.^[40]

Jimmy has backed way off of these claims, perhaps realizing his anti-semite colors were showing a bit too brightly, but these urls to his articles prove that's the position he initially took a week after the shootings:

http://www.presstv.com/detail/2012/12/20/279183/israeli-death-squad-massacred-us-children

http://www.veteranstoday.com/2012/12/23/mossad-death-squads-slaughtered-american-children-at-sandy-hook

Of course Fetzer is a known fraud pushing pro Nazi swill.  So is American Free Press who published the article Orangutan linked to:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Free_Press

"According to one former correspondent, the newspaper's direct ancestor was the publication The Spotlight,^[1] which ceased publication in 2001 when its parent company, Liberty Lobby, was forced into bankruptcy. Like The Spotlight and Liberty Lobby, Willis Carto, one of America's most influential political racial theorists known for his promotion of antisemitic conspiracy theories and Holocaust denial, was one of its founders."

" The Southern Poverty Law Center considers it a hate group^[10] and claims that it "carries stories on Zionism, secret 'New World Order' conspiracies, American Jews and Israel."^[11] One of the newspaper's ex-contract reporters, Christopher Bollyn, is sometimes cited for his reporting in the 9/11 Truth Movement. The Anti-Defamation League has criticised the newspaper and, in particular, Bollyn for linking of prominent figures in the Jewish community with the events of September 11, 2001, and in September 2006 attacked the newspaper for disseminating "antisemitic propaganda".^[12]
Many contributors such as Mark Dankof^[13] and Mark Glenn are also contributors to Iran's PressTV television station. The website Veterans Today which advocates moderate views towards Iran and Syria also carries content created by AFP.^[14] According to Accuracy in Media, "Press TV spews out unending streams of anti-American propaganda", and refers to Dankof as a Ron Paul supporter who is also a "Press TV propagandist". In a May 2011 article Dankof protested the British government attempting to shut down Press TV, blaming it on "media outlets and correspondents with provable connections to the American Jewish lobby; Israeli intelligence; and Neo-Conservatives thirsting for a War of Civilizations with Iran specifically, and the Islamic world generally.” ^[15] In a May 2011 article, Dankof also quoted from and wrote that the Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion accurately reflect the state of the world. He lauded PressTV as one of the few exceptions to the Jewish control of the media.^[16]"

So this is what 911blogger.com's owners and moderators consider a credible information source these days.  And the sites users seem to approve.Nice to know.

Now "Orangutan" can drop the pretence of running an "activist" website dedicated to discovering the "truth" to stop wars.  911blogger has embraced it's identity as a front for fringe radical right racists.  But this situation is instructive, as it shows how the  fringe right will exploit confused leftists to hijack a platform.

Lest we forgot, 911blogger was not always  a right-wing haven.  "Reprehensor" was not a Nazi, soft sell or otherwise.  I think he was duped into da truth like many of us. Then duped into handing the website to psuedo Nazi tossers. 

This isn't the first time this has happened.  As justifiably horrid as reviews of Veteran's Today are, it wasn't always so.  Now they're on the SPLC radar as of 2011.

But archives going back to 2004 show a website that appears to have been honest about it's mission to help veterans.  Not a "Jews Did It" meme in sight:

https://web.archive.org/web/20040928195406/http://www.veteranstoday.com/

If it was a fringe right front then, they were hiding it very well.   The website's focus changed Gordon Duff got involved, around 2006.  It doesn't look like the people running the website knew who he was.  Or like many of us, just couldn't believe he was part of a cynical exploitive anti-semite front group.  By 2009 a 9/11 and Terrorism link was added to the main page, reasonable for a military focused website. But by 2010 they were well on their way reiventeding themselves as the Jew haters paradise we know today:

 https://web.archive.org/web/20100810001049/http://www.veteranstoday.com/

 Israelization of Iraq and Indianization of Afghanistan

ADL Like Israel Throws off Classical Liberal Front in Favor of Rightwing Tyranny

Israeli Hitler Youth


GORDON DUFF: WIKI-LEAKS IS ISRAEL, LIKE WE ALL DIDN’T KNOW

And the conspiracy stuff starts to get tracktion:

A Danish Scientist breaks the 9/11 culture of silence

This is all very educational. 

I know it's hard to believe, but, AFAIK, 911blogger.com was founded and run by left leaning anti war activists from it's inception, until the latest fringe goons took over around 2009-2010.   Keep in mind they spent years cultivating people, earning trust to get in this position.     The fringe right is highly motivated to exploit and take over any medium it can control.  It's much more surprising this worked with Veteran's Today; you'd expect more persons involved to be alert to fraud.  911blogger.com, once owned by someone misguidedly promoting right wing conspiracy theories, was always a target.   It was only a matter of time before it was either assimilated or shut down. 

What this tells us is the fringe right can be very patient if they want to take over something.

But people like me can be equally patient in exposing their scams.

It won't end well.