Revleft: A real anarchist's perspective on the 9/11 "Truth" Movement

This isn't 100% correct, but very close, and much closer than many so called "debunkers" have come.  They get the tactic of wooing the left with deceptive propaganda correct(highlighted in red). They're less informed on the exact source from the far right and it's top players.  But then neither was I at one time. Alex Jones and David Icke are players, but they're more of the profit mongering/sell DVD's get rich scammers. It's the Larouche/Ron Paul/Libertarian/Racist Militant/Tea Party who drove the "truth" machine as a political vehicle. 

Still, very good insights.

Also an indirect clue the so called "anarchists" pushing 911 Truth at the time were phoneys;  one of their associates is registered at this board, and no one, I do mean not one of the con-artists, has ever referred to this article, not even in a " Hey guys! look at this disinfo!"  way.

Perhaps an indication they would prefer the idea the "Truth" movement is a con not to get any play.....

Good luck with that.

http://www.revleft.com/vb/whole-9-11-t70635/index.html
The whole 9/11 truth movement

14th February 2008, 22:45

bootleg42

I posted this on another board and I think it's a good read for here. This is basically me showing what the true plans of the whole 9/11 truth movement is about and the trick they're trying to play on people. I think it's a good analysis and the next time we get people here saying "OMG look at building 7" or anything of the type, this could be a good response, especially for those people who believe in these conspiracy theories and who have left-leaning thinking.

Plus when one does research on the movement and it's leaders, one sees that this is a trick by the ultra-right free-market libertarians to try to trick people (who otherwise wouldn't) into supporting their cause.

I'll explain.

The leaders of these 9/11 truth movements themselves are also believers of something they call the "NWO" or the "New World Order", and they're not talking about a new world order in a metaphoric sense, but they're talking about it in a literal sense. They literally believe that a powerful secret group has been planning (for over 100 year according to them) to take over the world and that, "both the U.S. and Soviet governments are controlled by the same furtive conspiratorial cabal of internationalists, greedy bankers, and corrupt politicians. If left unexposed, the traitors inside the U.S. government would betray the country's sovereignty to the United Nations for a collectivist New World Order managed by a 'one-world socialist government." That quote is by Robert Welch Jr., the founder of the John Birch Society (a far-right conservative group who started these conspiracy theories, I'll get back to them later).

These people honestly believe that there is a "NWO" that will make a one world government and that it it force collectivism and socialism down our throats. They claim that the U.N. is one of those organizations. They claim that all major figures in world history from Karl Marx to Woodrow Wilson to Hitler to Noam Chomsky are all in on it. Also they believe that black helicopters are flying all over the world right now, planning to implement their plans of world domination (NoamChomsky made fun of these "black helicopters" claim once in a speech I heard on youtube).

All these conspiracy theories come from an old U.S. political organization called the John Birch Society. This organization is a far-right free-market libertarian organization. They've hated all the U.S. presidents (both Democrats and Republicans), considering them all part of the "NWO" conspiracy. Many of the people from this portion of the right wing is not even liked very much by the ruling class. These people sort of knew that it would be very hard to get the people of the United States of America to believe them in their causes. In the 90's, they had the support of the right-wing militia movements of the "angry white men" but other than that, they could get no more support. Nor did the far-right people in general get the support they have hoped for. Then 9/11 happened.

Being consistent, they pushed the claims that Bush and company where behind 9/11. These far right people where against the "war on terror" from the beginning and they've been against most wars of the past but not for the humanitarian reason, but because wars force the state to spend more and increase and that they believe their "NWO" conspiracies.

A good portion of the people in the U.S. were against the war and against all the mayhem Bush was creating. This is when the whole "Bush did 9/11" thing started getting popular. These far-right free-market libertarians pushed the whole "Bush did 9/11" and they pushed for an end of all U.S. foreign intervention. The far-right started to ride the wave of legit anti-Bush sentiments, pushing only the points that "Bush was behind 9/11" and that "all the wars should end". BUT THEY NEVER TALK ABOUT THEIR ALTERNATIVES (which is what Chomsky pointed out), WHICH ARE FREE-MARKETS, AND VERY ANTI-LABOR AND MANY TIMES, ANTI-SEMITIC. These same people who lead and are behind the 9/11 movements are so far-right that the current ruling class thinks they're a joke. Lets take a look at some of these people:

Alex Jones: He's probably the leader in this whole 9/11 movement. This guy is a free market pusher. He hates Bush, but he's from the right of Bush (scary no??). He has pushed this "NWO" theory. He claims Communism, Socialism and Anarchism are just conspiracies, funded by wall street to create chaos so that the conditions can occur for the "NWO" to take over. He interviewed Noam Chomsky once and after the interview, Jones (like a coward, not being able to say it to Chomsky's face) called Chomsky an "NWO shill" (meaning that Chomsky is supposedly a part of the "NWO"). I think we all know how ridiclous that sounds.

David Icke: This is a big name in the 9/11 truth movement. He claims that the VERY anti-semitic writing, The Protocols of the Elders of Zion, reveals a plan for the "NWO" to rule the world. This is very anti-semitic. He claims that every important world leaders in history were and are reptilian humanoids (aliens). According to him, every big world leader is a reptile alien, from Britain's late Queen Mother to George H.W. Bush, Hillary Clinton, Harold Wilson, and Tony Blair. He's had a history with the white militias of the 90's.

Robert M. Bowman: He was a former Director of Advanced Space Programs Development for the U.S. Air Force in the Ford and Carter administrations, and a former United States Air Force Lieutenant Colonel. He has pushed that Bush was behind 9/11. He was also campaigned nationwide for the nomination of the Reform Party of the United States of America for President of the United States. This is the same party that had the ethnocentric Pat Buchanan as their candidate.

Steven E. Jones: This is the famous physics professor that has helped fueled the whole WTC 7 thing. He actually supported George W. Bush before 9/11 and he has had a history with the republican party.

Morgan Reynolds: He was the chief economist for the United States Department of Labor during 2001–2002, George W. Bush's first term. He has also been big in the 9/11 movement. Before the 9/11 truth thing, he claimed that labor unions exacerbates unemployment and inflation. He has been HUGE in anti-labor thinking, blaming unions for everything. He hates labor regulation, and he has pushed the U.S. to move to a completely free-market and to reject labor movements.

Notice how these leaders of the 9/11 movement are mainly far-right free-market lovers and what they're doing is they're riding the anti-Bush sentiments to try to gain power so that they can establish their far-right domestic policies (free-markets, anti-labor laws, "states-rights", etc) behind people's backs. These 9/11 leaders don't want to talk about their alternatives, because such alternatives are not what poor and working people would support.

It looks like the trick is working. Many people with left-leanings are falling for joining and supporting this whole truth movement. This is why Ron Paul became so popular over the internet, gaining support from people with left-leaning politics. This movement only wants to sneak in their free-market, small government, anti-labor policies and they use such things (anti-Bush feelings, 9/11, anti-war, etc) to gain support from factions they wouldn't otherwise get.

"It looks like the trick is working. Many people with left-leanings are falling for joining and supporting this whole truth movement"

Well, it worked for a while.  Then it stopped working. 

Better late than never.

American Freedom Party in Oregon: Return of the Nazis

Now that the extreme conspiracy front groups for organizing racists while posing as leftists have all but been demolished by antifascists in Oregon, the White Pride people now must fall back on being "out and proud" about it:

Meet the Oregon Chapter of the American Freedom Party: Part One

01/12/2014

The American Freedom Party (AFP) is a nationwide white supremacist organization that markets itself as an upstanding, family-friendly, and nonviolent political party by portraying white people as an oppressed group, and themselves as an advocacy organization similar to the NAACP. However, locally, they have embraced a number of white power veterans with histories of race-based violence and murder, such as Kyle Brewster. Scratch the surface and it is apparent that AFP is a fascist party with an extermination agenda.   

AFP uses tactics and rhetoric borrowed from the activist left and libertarian right as part of their work to build a white nationalist political party. AFP is part of a fascist tradition known as Third Positionism. Third Positionism presents itself as a new, ‘third” alternative to both right and left-wing politics by advancing hard-right ideas through adopting and deploying radical left signifiers in ways that confound mainstream expectations for what the right looks like; an example of this is utilizing environmentalist framing to promote neo-Eugenicist policies. However, rather than being a new dimension of political thought, Third Positionism actually harkens back to the very origins of fascism--in Mussolini’s Italy, populist trappings were paradoxically used to crush the working class.

For reader reference the American Freedom Party is a renamed and re-branded American Third Position party.    The banner style matches the old banner found at Wikipedia, where the racist leanings are dead obvious:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Freedom_Party

The American Freedom Party (formerly the American Third Position Party or A3P) is a third positionist American political party which promotes white supremacy.^[1][2][3][4] It was officially launched in January 2010^[5] (although in November 2009 it filed papers to get on a ballot in California) partially to channel the right-wing populist resentment engendered by the financial crisis of 2007–2010 and the policies of the Obama administration.^[6]

Compare banners:

They're not really trying too hard to hide their roots...

Extreme Makeover: Nazi Edition

Shortly after the collapse of the fleeting Golden State Party, on October 15th of 2009, Freedom 14 held a meeting to elect a new leader and a new party name. The leader they chose was William Daniel Johnson and it was then that they became known as American Third Position (A3P).  Officially launched on January 4th, 2012 A3P’s website stated that they were, "both a political party and activist organization dedicated to the interests vital to the preservation and continuity of ethnic European communities within the United States of America." This new description was a more focused and sophisticated version of GSP’s original statement of purpose.

In February of 2012, as a part of #OpBlitzkrieg, which targeted various Neo-Nazi organizations around the world, members of the Anonymous Movement hacked A3P's website as well as forums and email accounts connected to the group. One year later, on February 1st, 2013, A3P announced that they would be changing their name to the American Freedom Party, though their "passionate defense of freedom," as well as their platform and values would remain the same.

Even though the Golden State Party has changed their name and leadership multiple times, their affiliations have remained the same. In a photo posted on October 31st to AFP’s Facebook page, Tyler Cole (left) is seen standing next to current party directors Tom Sunic (center) and Kevin B. McDonald (back) at a conference in Washington D.C. for the National Policy Institute (NPI), a white nationalist think tank “dedicated to the heritage, identity, and future of European people in the United States, and around the world.”

The passage highlighted refers to a tactic most 911 "Truth" groups use, especially when a member is caught in an indiscretion.   But it's the associations that will out them; that's what happened to "Killtown" Lazo's group, when their reach exceeded their grasp.  

And speaking of 911 "truth":

Circular Logic: “Anti-Racist is a Code for Anti-White”

“Anti-Racist is a Code for Anti-White” is the mantra of the American Freedom Party. AFP promulgates the idea that people that oppose racism are actually trying to destroy the white race. This idea alchemizes anyone promoting anti-racism into an enemy bent on destroying whites, which proves the existence of the anti-white conspiracy. The use of the word ‘code’ is deliberate--it implies dishonesty and a secret agenda, and portrays anti-racists as liars, misinformation agents of the imaginary “Zionist Occupational Government,” or ZOG, an ever-popular theory among white supremacists.

Conspiracy theories have their origins in very old antisemitic narratives. Jews are called “bankers,” “Rothchilds,” or “Illuminati” in contemporary adaptations. The 911 Truth Movement and swaths of the Occupy movement both disseminated narratives that blended populism with antisemitism. Conspiracy theory catches hold where there is a twinkle of political consciousness, but still a strong incentive or desire to maintain the existing order. In the case of AFP, the hope is that white men will once again have easy access to decent, middle class lifestyles once the underhanded oppressors are overthrown. The truth is that poor white people are being exploited and screwed over, but it isn’t by a secret anti-white cabal. Poor white people are being screwed over alongside everybody else by the horrors of a capitalist system which sees people only as resources to use up and throw away. People sense that they are being lied to in the mass media, and that there is some hidden danger lurking. Unfortunately this gets redirected by white nationalists onto people they view as enemies, rather than at the systems that are actually oppressing them.  

I don't know how many times I've read that bollox "anti racist is code for anti white".  Please, could you people all just GDIAF?    

This is where it gets grim, er, grimmer.  Because one of the fronts of the fake activist 9/11 groups, while claiming to be anti-racist, published links to PressTv coverage of American Third Position Merlin Miller without outcry:

http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/ten-years-of-september-elevens/conversations/topics/167

Roy McCoy

Message 1 of 3 , Oct 3, 2012

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That's news to me, and my first occasion to possibly regret not voting this year - though, er, maybe not (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Third_Position_Party).

There is objection about Roy regretting not voting for a racist party, while linking to a racist fake news propaganda outlet.  This is hypocritically contrary to the list's supposed prohibition against promoting racist content, Roy's "maybe not" cutsiness notwithstanding:

 

Group Description

General dialogue on the politics, intelligence, ideology, information and updates on issues surrounding the Truth around the events of September 11... then, and now, ten years later.

This group will have no tolerance for any forms of bias and discrimination in the form of racism, sexism, homophobia, or other prejudice on the basis of faith, religion, language, origin, ability, age, sexuality, spirituality, geographical origins.

We invite you to join us and help us make an efficient and productive exploration of the Truth and its applications toward the Global Liberation of humanity.

But it gets better.  Reader can follow the links to Rose City Antifa to learn more about the white power wankers.   Right now we're going to examine what happened to the PressTV link Roy shared, because it disappeared :

Perhaps because they were promoting American Third Position's white power candidate Merlin Miller(highlighted in red, along with the author blaming the Jews for 911) from archive of the same page:

[Apologies for Tl;Dr, but if they care enough to delete it, their racist record should be dragged back into the light of day]

 

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Sun Sep 30, 2012 5:51PM

By Kevin Barrett

Iran's President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad has been vilified in the Western media for daring to imagine “a world without Israel.”

But according to news reports, Henry Kissinger and sixteen American intelligence agencies agree that in the near future, Israel will no longer exist.

The New York Post quotes Kissinger “word for word”: In 10 years, there will be no more Israel.

Kissinger's statement is flat and unqualified. He is not saying that Israel is in danger, but could be saved if we just gave it additional trillions of dollars and smashed enough of its enemies with our military. He is not saying that if we elect Netanyahu's old friend Mitt Romney, Israel could somehow be salvaged. He is not saying that if we bomb Iran, Israel might survive. He is not offering a way out. He is simply stating a fact: In 2022, Israel will no longer exist.

The US Intelligence Community agrees, though perhaps not on the precise 2022 expiration date. Sixteen US intelligence agencies with a combined budget over USD70 billion have issued an 82-page analysis titled “Preparing for a Post-Israel Middle East.”

The US intelligence report observes that the 700,000 Israeli settlers illegally squatting on land stolen in 1967 - land that the entire world agrees belongs to Palestine, not Israel - are not going to pack up and leave peacefully. Since the world will never accept their ongoing presence on stolen land, Israel is like South Africa in the late 1980s.

The extremist Likud coalition governing Israel, according to the US intelligence report, is increasingly condoning and supporting rampant violence and lawlessness by illegal settlers. The report states that the brutality and criminality of the settlers, and the growing apartheid-style infrastructure including the apartheid wall and the ever-more-draconian system of checkpoints, are indefensible, unsustainable, and out of synch with American values.

The sixteen US intelligence agencies agree that Israel cannot withstand the coming pro-Palestinian juggernaut consisting of the Arab Spring, the Islamic Awakening, and the rise of the Islamic Republic of Iran.

In the past, dictatorships in the region kept a lid on the pro-Palestinian aspirations of their people. But those dictatorships began to topple with the fall of the pro-Israel Shah of Iran in 1979 and the establishment of a democratic Islamic Republic, whose government had little choice but to reflect its people's opposition to Israel. The same process - the overthrow of dictators who worked with, or at least tolerated, Israel - is now accelerating throughout the region. The result will be governments that are more democratic, more Islamic, and far less friendly to Israel.

The US intelligence community report says that in light of these realities, the US government simply no longer has the military and financial resources to continue propping up Israel against the wishes of more than a billion of its neighbors. In order to normalize relations with 57 Islamic countries, the report suggests, the US will have to follow its own national interests and pull the plug on Israel.

Interestingly, neither Henry Kissinger nor the authors of the US Intelligence Report give any sign that they are going to mourn the demise of Israel. This is remarkable, given that Kissinger is Jewish and has always been viewed as a friend (if occasionally a tough friend) of Israel, and that all Americans, including those who work for intelligence agencies, have been influenced by the strongly pro-Israel media.

What explains such complacency?

Americans who pay attention to international affairs - a category that surely includes Kissinger and the authors of the Intelligence Report - are growing fed up with Israeli intransigence and fanaticism. Netanyahu's bizarre, widely-ridiculed performance at the United Nations, where he brandished a cartoonish caricature of a bomb in such a way that he himself came across as a caricature of a “mad Zionist,” was the latest in a series of gaffes by Israeli leaders who seem prone to overplaying their hand.

A second factor is the festering resentment many Americans feel over the Israel Lobby's imperious domination of public discourse. Every time a well-known American journalist is fired for going “off-script” about Israel, as happened to Helen Thomas and Rick Sanchez, a mostly-invisible backlash, like a tidal wave rippling beneath the surface of the ocean, grows in power. And every time the Israel lobby slaps down someone like Maureen Dowd, who recently observed that the same Israel-fanatics who dragged the US into the Iraq war are now trying to do the same thing with Iran, the more people begin to wake up and realize that people like Dowd, Thomas, and Sanchez are speaking the truth.

A third reason for complacency in the face of Israel's impending demise: The American Jewish community is no longer united in support of Israel, much less its Likudnik leadership. Sophisticated Jewish journalists and analysts like Philip Weiss are recognizing the insanity of Israel's current leadership and the hopelessness of its predicament. According to recent reports, it is no longer fashionable among young American Jews to care about Israel. And despite Netanyahu's frantic attempts to sway Jewish voters toward the Mormon Likudnik Mitt Romney, polls show that Obama, who is on record saying he “hates” the “liar” Netanyahu, will easily win the majority of Jewish votes.

Finally, we come to the least obvious - but most powerful - reason for Kissinger's and the CIA's complacency in the face of Israel's implosion: The inexorable trickle-down of knowledge that Israel and its supporters, not radical Muslims, carried out the 9/11 false-flag attacks.

Increasingly, it is not fringe anti-Semitic groups, but high-level responsible observers, who are saying this. Alan Sabrosky, the half-Jewish former Director of Strategic Studies at the US Army War College, has come on my radio show to say that he has discussed with his colleagues the “100% certainty” that Israel and its supporters did 9/11. And Alan Hart, the former lead BBC correspondent for the Middle East (and personal friend of Golda Meir and Yasser Arafat) has also come on my radio show to break the story that he, too, knows that Israel and company orchestrated 9/11.

Today, we even have a presidential candidate, Merlin Miller, who is on the record stating that Israel, not al-Qaeda, carried out the 9/11 attacks.

The chief purpose of 9/11 was to “seal in blood” an intense, unbreakable emotional bond between the US and Israel, in a desperate bid to assure Israel's survival by launching a long-term US war against Israel's enemies. As the “dancing Israelis” arrested for celebrating the 9/11 operation tried to convince the police: “Our enemies are your enemies. The Palestinians are your enemies.”

But more and more Americans, including the US intelligence community as a whole, now recognize that the enemies of Israel (the entire Muslim world of over 1.5 billion people, along with most of the non-European world) do not have to be the enemies of the United States. In fact, the US is going broke and sacrificing thousands of lives in wars for Israel - wars that damage, rather than aid, US strategic interests. (One of those interests, of course, is buying oil and gas from stable, cooperative governments.)

As the recognition grows that 9/11 was not a radical Islamic attack, but an act of dastardly, bloody treason by supporters of Israel, it will become ever-easier for American policy makers, following in the footsteps of Kissinger and the sixteen intelligence agencies, to recognize the obvious: Israel has reached the end of its shelf-life.

KB/HGH

 

 The views expressed in this article are those of the author and not necessarily those of Press TV.

Sure they're not.  And I suppose they have a used bridge to sell as well.

It's now well known PressTV is an Iranian outlet for spreading anti Semitic propaganda to an English speaking audience:

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Press_TV_controversies

Press TV has been the subject of several controversies. The station has been criticised for its uncritical embrace of provocative stances. For British journalist Nick Cohen the station is "a platform for the full fascist conspiracy theory of supernatural Jewish power"^[1] and for commentator Douglas Murray it is the "Iranian government’s propaganda channel".^[2]

So it's no wonder Merlin and the Iranian president hit it off so well:

 In September 2012, Miller met with Iranian president Mahmoud Ahmedinejad for nearly 20 minutes and discussed a number of issues, including what both Miller and Ahmedinejad view as the "Zionist-controlled media" in the West.

Isn't that sweet.  But can't imagine why Merlin Miller has been deleted from the Presstv website. *innocent*

Truth Action retrospective: Larouche at 911blogger

This post is kindly linked to at Straut.com, an excellent blog with semi regular updates on LaRouchie Cult activity.  A clarification for readers I left in comments:

 Quarx Says: Your comment is awaiting moderation.
February 7th, 2014 at 8:19 pm
Cheers for the link. But I’d like to emphasize my blog is NOT a promotion of the “truth” movement; the contents of the Larouche post come from a defunct forum and predates my understanding the “truth” movement was a 100% right wing fraud posing as anti-war activism. Revleft has a mostly accurate analysis of how the fraud worked to recruit the left into 911 “truth”:
http://jennyquarx.blogspot.com/2014/01/revleft-real-anarchists-perspective-on.html
The conspiracy peeps seem to have given up on progressive leftists as marks these days…we just can’t be counted on to turn a blind eye to Holocaust denial, etc.

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Going through my records, I came across this old thread:

http://www.truthaction.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=7223

LaRouche On 911Blogger.com

 Jon Gold


Posted: Wed Jul 20, 2011 5:39 pm    Post subject: LaRouche On 911Blogger.com

  http://911blogger.com/news/2011-07-20/lpac-doing-major-expose-obamas-continued-911-coverup

The comments aren't pretty:

YT Joined: 18 Jan 2007 Posts: 5395 Location: Aotearoa	Posted: Thu Jul 21, 2011 3:30 pm    Post subject: Nothing like a murderous cult fighting for justice... How many moderators on that site? And NONE of them can pick out this stuff? Jesus.
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zombie bill hicks Joined: 12 Apr 2007 Posts: 601 Location: Earth	Posted: Thu Jul 21, 2011 5:06 pm    Post subject: I'd be happy to moderate that site =) _________________ call your mom
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snowcrash Joined: 11 Nov 2010 Posts: 470	Posted: Tue Jul 26, 2011 3:54 pm    Post subject: As soon as he gets a spurious prediction right by accident, he's going to get "credibility" capital that he can exploit. Just like supposedly paranormal mountebanks.
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YT Joined: 18 Jan 2007 Posts: 5395 Location: Aotearoa	Posted: Tue Jul 26, 2011 5:39 pm    Post subject: Yep, that's where Tarpley got his whole prediction schtick. He was the host of Larouche's TV show for awhile. Nice to see one of the moderators there finally left a warning comment regarding Larouche, a few days after it was published... Better than nothing. _______

Ah a moderator leaps to the rescue!  Let's look at the article and all comments:

Article:

LPAC Doing Major Expose on Obama's Continued 9/11 Coverup

Posted by KNOWAR on Wed, 07/20/2011 - 11:10am

• Al-Yamamah
• BAE
• Bush
• Obama

http://larouchepac.com/node/18815
LarouchePAC has been doing alot of videos this week regarding Obama's refusal to release the 28 pages of suppressed info in the 9/11 Commission report, which Obama promised the 9/11 Victims' Families he would de-classify in 2009. The suppressed report is alleged to show how deeply involved the Saudi Royal Family was in planning the 9/11 attacks, and is also alleged to detail the involvement of the British government through BAE and the now infamous Al-Yamamah covert slush fund used to carry out covert terrorist attacks throughout the world since the 1990s.
LaRouche is giving a worldwide webcast this Thursday, July 21 at 1 PM EST during which time he is expected to address Obama's reluctance to release the document and demand once again that he de-classify it.
http://www.larouchepac.com

Comments:

I was one of the few who had suspiscions..

of "inside Job" on day one. I began searching the internet for anything other than the MSMBS. Among the first mentions like that was Lyndon LaRouche making a statement.
The LaRouche people are not as kooky as we are told to believe. They are demonized like anyone, any group who opposes the status quo. Lyndon LaRouche had made enemies with GHW Bush and paid for it.
They are also vocal. Turning their attention to 9/11 is a good thing.

Joe on Fri, 07/22/2011 - 3:34pm.

Regarding LaRouche

The LaRouche people frequently appear out of nowhere when we do street actions. They set up a table and large, usually offensive posters as close to us as they can, so that people often mistakenly think we are working together.
They have also shown up outside our events, including the annual film festival that the NorCal 9/11 TA puts on every September.
They claim to know exactly who did 9/11 and, when asked, blame the Queen of England and the City of London.
For those of us who have been politically active and paying attention for more than a few decades, the LaRouche organization bears all the hallmarks of an intelligence operation (one that specializes in sowing distrust and discord wherever possible and whenever they can).
I think anyone familiar with the whole Kennebunkport mess a few years back will easily recognize the obvious elements of a LaRouche - style infiltration and disruption operation.
This blog was posted as it is somewhat newsworthy and its posting should not be viewed as an endorsement of LaRouche or any elements of the LaRouche organization, past, present or future.
Thus, I do not agree that LaRouche turning their attention to 9/11 is a good thing. Indeed, it reinforces my observation that the games are now going to begin in earnest and we all need to be on our toes 24/7/365 as various entities spring up to distract, disrupt and/or derail the great progress the 9/11 truth community has made to date, and to further delay critical mass forming around this most important issue as we approach the 10th anniversary.
The truth shall set us free, but not everyone who claims to be pursuing the truth is.
Love is the only way forward, and love means balancing heart and mind while moving forward.

LeftWright on Sat, 07/23/2011 - 1:52pm.

 Right

on, Mr. Wright. Thanks for the reminder.

foxii on Sun, 07/24/2011 - 12:59pm.

Comment on comments:

Firstly I suspect "joe" is full of shite.  There is something he says that's a tell he is a scammers.  These people are chameleons; part of their shtick is picking people's brains about their views, then adopting them to blend in with the recruits the scammed.  I'm almost certain where one of his claims comes from, and it was not common in the "truth" movement before 2006.  "Joe" imho is someone who knows he's pushing a fraud.

Second, LW is also full of shite.  Not because what he wrote is incorrect, but because he did it to convince suspicious folks that 911blogger could still be trusted.  That he remains listed as a moderator while the website has embraced one obvious fraud after another shows he's just another lying fraud trying to save face as all the best people duped drift away from the "truth" movement.

YT wrote:  

How many moderators on that site?

And NONE of them can pick out this stuff?

What he didn't know is the new co owner of the website, Orangutan, has been a promoter of Larouche since 2005:

Re 911 knowledge
Posted By: xxxxxxxx Sun Dec 24, 2006 10:32 am

Here is some more information when considering the current history of our country...
 

Israel's awareness of the events has been a hot button from the very beginning. The focus centers on the dancing Israeli film crew who was set up across the river to film the whole event as it unfolded that morning in September of 2001.

Think you will find this article of interest. It is the harshest commentary on Israeli involvement I've seen thus far, but it is the first time I've read about those five people who were arrested and then released in New York being on a talk show.

The Likud Criminal Gang
Behind 911 &
The 'War On Terror' 
By Christopher Bollyn
12-23-6

Ehud Olmert and the criminal gang behind the Likud party in Israel are directly implicated in 9/11 and the subsequent so-called "war on terror."

This is not an opinion - this is what the evidence reveals:

See "The Israeli Prime Minister's Connection to 9/11"

http://www.iamthewitness.com/Bollyn-Olmert-22Dec2006.html

Three of the five "dancing Israelis" appeared on an Israeli television show to explain that they were sent to document the event. Here is an excerpt of them:

http://www.iamthewitness.com/video/ForBollynsSpeech11Nov2006_DancingIsraelis.wmv

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The Zionists justify their knowledge of the attack by claiming they had followed the Arab terrorists and discovered their dastardly plans.

The Zionists claim to have warned a few government employees of the upcoming attack, but they never bothered to tell their friends in the news organizations.

The far right Likud party of Israel grew out of the Zionist terrorist gang known as the IRGUN - a fascist organization created by Vladimir Jabotinsky of Odessa. This is the same terror gang that blew up the King David Hotel in Jerusalem and committed terrorist acts across Palestine and beyond in the 1930s and 40s.

Terrorism, particularly "false-flag" terror in which the blame for a terror attack is wrongly assigned to the enemy, is a strategy and tactic developed and perfected by the Zionists.

The so-called "war on terror" is also a Zionist construct first articulated by Benjamin Netanyahu in the early 1980s. There was a earlier concept developed in Israel called "TNT" which stood for the Hebrew "Terror Neged Terror" or "terror against terror."

The blueprint for the "war on terror" is found in Netanyahu's 1986 book "Terrorism: How the West Can Win." In his speeches and writings, Netanyahu, whose father was the secretary for Vladimir Jabotinsky, and a leader in his New Zionist Organization, promotes the "war on terror" to be waged against Israel's enemies.

The evidence and the motivation for 9/11 all point to the criminal Likud party and their hard-core Zionist supporters in the United States, Britain, Canada, and Australia.

It should be obvious that people like Benjamin Netanyahu, Ehud Olmert, Ariel Sharon, and Shimon Peres were involved at the architectural level in the planning of 9/11 in order to bring the United States military into a shooting war in the Middle East.

The same Zionist gangsters who support the Likud also support the Republican Party. Lewis Eisenberg, Ronald Lauder, and Steven L. Friedman are among the U.S. based Zionists that are deeply involved in the attacks of 9/11.

See: A Bigger Scandal: Illegal U.S. Funding of Sharon's Likud

www.larouchepub.com/other/2003/3003likud_usgangsta.html

When looking at the terror attacks of 9/11, one should ask more than "Cui bono?" It should also be asked: "Who else?"

Who else could have done it? Who else would want to do it? Who else has any reason to do it?

These Zionist leaders are more than war criminals - they are a threat to all of humanity. They must to be stopped, for our sake and the sake of the peace of the world.

Of course no one knew this then.  I didn't hear about it until a few months ago.  

And "Orang" never said anything like--"Yeah I used to be into Larouche, but snapped out of that shit."

He just stayed quiet, like the other fraud who runs "truthmove".

I have numerous emails from this c--t "Orangatan" while he was pretending to be concerned about misinformation, and credibility , etc, etc.  

He is a lying POS.  

But there's something funny going on at 911blogger archives.  The tracking information about Knowwar has been tampered with.  

He/she published that blog over two years ago:

Posted by KNOWAR on Wed, 07/20/2011 - 11:10am

It's even reflecting on his tracker page:

http://911blogger.com/users/knowar/track

Blog entry

LPAC Doing Major Expose on Obama's Continued 9/11 Coverup

KNOWAR

3

2 years 24 weeks ago

But supposedly the last active thread he posted in was 3 weeks ago:

Blog entry

FALSE FLAG NEWS' exposes 9/11 "SPACE BEAM" disinformation being promoted at 911Blogger.com

stallion4

166

3 weeks 5 days ago

Except when you go to the page there is NO comment dated in Dec 2013, which would be the case if the thread had been active 3 weeks ago.

So what happened three weeks ago?  Turns out the lying, hypocrites running 911blogger deleted a comment.  This after making much about their new rules claiming "comments are here forever". 

Detail of the comments now:

Same detail with now missing comment:

Text:

Summary of this disinfo theory can be found here:

Summary of this disinfo theory can be found here.
Mr. Abrahamson couldn't have done a better job to validate the work of Wood and Reynolds on the Beam Weapon.
Why else does it terrify him?
It obviously exists.

Anonymous (not verified) on Sat, 11/18/2006 - 5:03pm.

Don't know what's so damning about this comment it needed to be deleted...against, btw, the "rules".  As a troll it's very mild.  But if it can be deleted, then any comment of a former user who stopped posting before the "rule" change can certainly be deleted. 

My personal suspicion is this was a comment of one of the mods or a friend of the mods posting anonymously and it had identifying information that proved they were part of a fraud.

There seem to be many other comments deleted, but prior to the current 911blogger team.     

Let's review the "rules":

http://911blogger.com/rules

GENERAL RULES: POSTING AND COMMENTING
Posts and comments made on 911blogger.com are stored forever. Material generally remains published unless it is determined to be in violation of the rules.

Readers can can compare the deleted comment with the remaining ones to see if it violated any of the so called "rules: listed.

Now is a good a time as any to express my belief 911blogger is hitting the reset button  for the "truth" fraud, and preparing to become the main  hub of information for all the scammers.  That's why they have a "rule" saying everything will stay forever:   that will include fraudulently obtained information of people who speak out against the scam.   

Intimidation tactics at their best.  All the other "anonymous" websites they used to use for that function are gone, so they'll have to do it themselves.

It's only a matter of time.    

By their trolling they shall be known...

Time for a wee retrospective on "trolls" and how they reinforce the 9/11 "truth" scam.      

Recently "videohoax" has become more active at 911blogger as a champion of Glenn Greenwald:

http://911blogger.com/news/2014-01-01/risks-trusting-snowden-story

 Really surprising, this is a typical baseless smear job

I've enjoyed Kevin Ryan's work as well as Sibel Edmonds. I watch Corbett's podcast pretty regularly, but recently with this jumping on the band wagon of essentially calling one of the most important journalists we have a shill or somehow working for the enemy has turned me off to almost all of their work. In my eyes it has significantly hurt all of their credibility in the 9/11 truth movement and elsewhere. Nothing in Ryan's article proves anything.
Pretty sad that someone has effectively caused a divide and conquer scenario with one of the best allies we have outside of our 9/11 truth bubble. Greenwald may not be openly for 9/11 truth but the net results of his work have caused a lot of damage to the united states credibility, and ultimately this should be the same goal we all share. Very unfortunate and embarrassing day to consider myself part of the movement.

videohoax on Sun, 01/05/2014 - 12:38pm.

Last I heard from videohoax was a weird comment they left on one of my articles that we'll examine later:

http://911blogger.com/node/19332

It was titled:  "Heroes: The Metaphor and Evolution in 911 Activism Part 1"  and can be found here. 

An excerpt for context and tone:

In The Mighty Wurlizer, one of the ways the CIA managed activist groups was to outright fund them. The catch was only a handful of people in these groups were “witting”, that is, knew their funding came from government sources. Today, the more likely source would be a front corporation with a feel good name, like “The Alliance for Social Justice and Stuff”. Its possible that the number of witting people could be increased in this altered model.
So even in your most infiltrated group, most members will not know it. But there will be clues. Witting and invested members( “made men” in the mafia) will always try to cover up problems instead of solving them. They will also be on the front lines to get rid of anyone who comes too close to the operation. They will set up “theater” where some members will fight others to convince the unwitting the group is a random collection of sincere activists. They can make their own internal disputes this way, and have the added advantage of being completely controlled. This sounds a bit abstract; here’s a fictitious scenario showing a possible operation starting in usenet and moving to real life and back to usnet...

This was written before I understood the "truth" movement was a right-wing front and scam.  But the techniques are still used, because scammers of all sorts use these techniques.

This article was received lukewarmly, though the future owner of the website was supportive.  Even encouraging(ironic considering the latest turn of events):

 I've been following this.

I noticed last week they introduced the concept of RFID chips implanted in people. Hiro and his friend Ando each had them and Ando had his forcibly put in against his will, but was assured he'd not regret it. I'm wondering what way this show is going to go. I shouldn't be surprised really if NBC or GE is airing it. Glad to see you analyzing this aspect of our pop culture though Colonel. Keep it up.

Submitted by Orangutan. on Mon, 02/09/2009 - 1:33pm

"Keep it up"?  Surely he regrets those rash words now....

Then "videohoax" pops up to lead with this nonsensical bit:

 i feel sorry for whoever

i feel sorry for whoever read that rant!

Submitted by videohoax on Tue, 02/10/2009 - 11:48am

Passive aggressive much?

Videohoax did't always leave such comments.  They used to sound quite civil:

http://911blogger.com/news/2006-09-08/my-review-9-11-press-truth

yeah i loved it

just got my copy in the mail yesterday. I was very impressed by how effective it was without mentioning demolition, wargames, or fake hijackers. I think this is the best 911 truth movie ive seen since Loose Change 2.
Still waiting for my copy of improbable collapse, its been over a month and i still have not recieved it in the mail.

videohoax on Fri, 09/08/2006 - 12:45pm.

 on bergers website it says

on bergers website it says it should already be out technically, who did you hear this from? I wish i would have made it out to the oakland showing, i live in fremont but luckily my copy arrived in the mail on the same night.

videohoax on Fri, 09/08/2006 - 5:47pm.

 they are two entirely

they are two entirely different films, one is a direct implication that is an inside job false flag attack (greatconspiracy) and one lets the viewer's imagination fill in the blanks on what happened but directly implies a cover up (911pressfortruth). They have a different agenda and i think they each do the job well, however i think PRess for truth would be significantly more effective in converting fence sitters, people on the left, and even republicans that the 9/11 investigation was an obvious coverup. While i am a firm Mihopper, i think its good to see a different style of film made about 911 with high production values.

videohoax on Fri, 09/08/2006 - 5:50pm.

That last one I've highlighted for the evidence these people deliberately had the idea of recruiting from the left for their right wing front.  Videohoax also fishes for feedback about targetting this audiance:

 i think with the right

i think with the right marketing push and distribution chain this film could get just as popular as some of the recent liberal/left leaning documentaries like Freedom to Facism, Why we Fight, and Who killed the electric car. I wonder what the disinformation people are doing beyond these initial screenings. I firmly believe we could see something like this at sundance or even cannes
thoughts?

videohoax on Fri, 09/08/2006 - 5:53pm.

 [Never mind "From Freedom to Fascism" was NOT a left documentary, but came from the fringe, crazed Libertarian right....]

But if videohoax is so concerned  about the  "disinformation people", then why did he leave a dismissive comment about my article about the kind of people pushing disinformatuon?

 i feel sorry for whoever

i feel sorry for whoever read that rant!

Submitted by videohoax on Tue, 02/10/2009 - 11:48am

This comment is dishonest:  the article is not a rant and can't be mistaken for one by any reasonable person.  Therefore part of the purpose is to start an argument.    This is manipulative. 

Who does this?  People sucked into the "truth" movement are conditioned to think "agents" or COINTELPRO.  But because it's a fraud, we know there are no agents.  Since there are no agents, and this comment is pointless except as lame flamebait, we can safely assume  vidoehoax" is pushing and protecting the fraud. 

It's one thing to spread useful paranoia among the "sheeple"  that play them off each other.   It's quite another to describe the dynamics of the fraud, whether it's used by "agents" or conartists, such that site users will be able to see when they're being manipulated.  I'm sure that's what "videohoax" objected to: an article that helped people not only see through the fog, but risked them discovering the fraud.  

It's interesting to note from obtained traffic records"videohoax" only visited the thread for  a minute and a half:    

Visit Length:1 min 34 secs

That includes the time s/he took to comment on a 1000+ word document . Either they were sent a copy to read, or they came with an agenda to leave a dismissive comment because of the author, hoping to demoralize or discourage them.


The irony is, had these clowns used this tactic in late 2007, it might have sorta worked.  Instead they used the rightwing-cult-scare tactics of video stalking and intimidation...guaranteeing people like me wouldn't leave until they knew exactly who was doing this shit.  If it had been the governement, I would be sitting on a nice fat settlement right now.

But it's not the government.  It's a cluster of fringe conspiracy frauds terrified of being caught.  As they should be.  Because I frankly don't care where the fat settlement  check comes from.


Final note of "videohoaxs" return:  they post less than 15 mins after a comment about cult leader Webster Tarpley and don't blink an eye:

 Tarpley has been saying this for months...

Tarpley sums up how to tell a limited hangout operation in his latest World Crisis Radio broadcast...
- The "whistleblower" has a "Damascus Road conversion"
- Nothing new is revealed
- Nothing is revealed about the big covert ops (like 9-11)
- No politician gets canned
- The "whistleblower" becomes an immediate media darling while real whistleblowers struggle to get noticed...
...listen at http://tarpley.net/world-crisis-radio/

jimwilkie on Sun, 01/05/2014 - 12:22pm.

Videohoax knows which side his bread is buttered on.

[Edit:  it's come to my attention some funny editing is going in in that thread.  Now "videohoax" has a comment addressing this one:

yes the same Tarpley who said

yes the same Tarpley who said that Cosmos and Jim Hoffman were basically both government agents with absolutely no evidence (they called out Tarpley for his signed petition scandal) during a 9/11 truth conference.

videohoax on Sun, 01/05/2014 - 12:45pm.

I know for a fact that comment didn't exist at 12:55pm.  Unfortunately I didn't think it was screen worthy to capture...but someone running the website thinks traffic to this thread is worrying enough to get someone to address this.   No, Cosmos is not a government agent. I doubt Hoffman is either.  But I know Hoffman's wife is a con artist...  

Another new comment from videohoax(is this guy a speed typist?), with an amusing reply from jkeogh:

 Glad to see others agree that

Glad to see others agree that this is getting kinda ridiculous. I wonder why Ryan Sibel and Corbett decided to all damage their credibility so heavily by jumping on board baseless Mainstream media style smears? Really sad, because up until this point I saw them as some of the best researchers we had.

videohoax on Sun, 01/05/2014 - 12:40pm.

»

Journalism

Dissenting voices and alternative points of view are good things.
BTW I went and found your first comment (sept 2006) where you explain your username has nothing to do with no-planes, but I bet most folks would assume that's what it's about... it's easy to change if you like.

jkeogh on Sun, 01/05/2014 - 3:37pm.

This is rank hypocrisy after the webmaster and mods were told to delete all  posts from one account because the user does not want to be associated with their fraudulent website.

Not only did they refuse to do this, but they invented a new rule March 2012 that everything posted to the website is there forever:

http://911blogger.com/rules 

GENERAL RULES: POSTING AND COMMENTING

Posts and comments made on 911blogger.com are stored forever. Material generally remains published unless it is determined to be in violation of the rules.

So how does does wee "videohoax" get a waiver?  Because he registered before the rule change?  That can't be it because the account requesting deletion of posts was also registered before the rule change.

There's only one reason for a rule like that, which  I'll explore in a future blog.

For now let me note Keogh is lying:  videohoaxes earliest post has nothing to do with "no planes".    But there are "no planers" nearby his earlier posts, including my bestest buddy Craig "KT" Lazo:

 Implosion world PDF and 911myths.com need some debunking

I think this website is one of the lower quality debunkingf sites out there. Paul watson should go after 911 myths.com (which has a lot more comprehensive info) and someone, probably steven jones or an explosives expert needs to debunk the PDF that implosionworld wrote recently. These are the new ammunition for the debunking community because the popular mechanics stuff isnt working for them anymore. The implosion world piece seems fairly credible, but id love to see an expert tear it to shreds.
"Stop giving attention to the "no plane theory" disinfo agents like Nico Haupt, Morgan Reynolds, Shayler, killtown, CB_Brooklyn, webfairy, Holmgren, and others who are sabotaging this movement, either by sheer stupidity or intentionally." - V for Vendetta

videohoax on Fri, 09/22/2006 - 2:49pm.

»

 

""no plane theory" disinfo agents like...killtown"

Whoever believes that I'm a disinfo agent is a complete and utter moron.

Killtown on Fri, 09/22/2006 - 3:42pm.

»

 

I'll vouch for that

You did a lot of great work!
Thanks, man.

bruce1337 on Fri, 09/22/2006 - 3:47pm.]

Note: as a results of complaints, Justin Keogh appears to have destroyed his contact email address.  At least it bounces and claims the host doesn't exist.

Redemption Reincarnated: Early fringe scam promoting 911 "Truth" returns?

It sounds like a drug invented by a dystopian author. The reality is infinitely worse:

The redemption movement consists of supporters of an American conspiracy theory.^[1] Redemption theory involves claims that when the U.S. government abandoned the gold standard in 1933, it pledged its citizens as collateral so that it could borrow money. Other theories claim this happened in 1913 with the establishment of the Federal Reserve System. The movement also asserts that common citizens can gain access to funds in secret accounts using obscure procedures and regulations.
According to the theory, the government created a fictitious person (or "straw man") corresponding to each newborn citizen with bank accounts initially holding $630,000. The theory further holds that through obscure procedures under the Uniform Commercial Code, a citizen can "reclaim" the straw man and write checks against its accounts.^[2]
There have been many well-publicized convictions of citizens attempting to take advantage of this theory. The Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) regards the instructors and promoters of Redemption schemes as fraudsters^[3] while the Internal Revenue Service has included the "straw man" claim in its list of frivolous positions that may result in the imposition of a $5,000 penalty^[4] when used as the basis for an inaccurate tax return.^[5]

While the Redemption Movement existed before the 9/11 attacks, it was one of the many early platforms to push the "Truth", proving the movement's origins in the fringe radical right:

"Robert Kelly, publisher of The American's Bulletin, covers an array of antigovernment themes even as he pushes redemption in his newspaper's pages. In the last year, Kelly's paper also has been rife with attacks on the IRS (the "Illegal Regiment of Satan"), the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms, and the federal judiciary.
Alongside ubiquitous ads for redemption materials were articles asserting that the "9/11 Attack was an Inside Job" and pointing to the USA Patriot Act as further proof that the American government is at war against its own citizens."

 What's the point of this scam?  one might ask.  No one's going to get away with it and the people pushing the scam don't appear to benefit directly financially.   Turns out they're not after money; they're after recruits.  Recruits radical enough to use bullets.  Failing that, they tried to homebrew them:

"They all end up losing," Levitas said of the redemptionists who pursue such court battles. "But a certain percentage become highly radicalized as part of the process, and that creates a new pool of more militant people. It's a great sifting mechanism for determining who is willing to take it to the next level. ... The Patriot movement has a track record of recruiting people based on paper activism and transforming them into those who would use bullets instead."

I can confirm several incidents of people trying to manipulate or coerce me into adopting or excepting extremist tactics:  In one instance, after concerns about the security of an event and organizer suggested he had lots of friends who could bring guns.  Overkill much?  Another time, an alleged leftist (and confirmed conartist) repeatedly pushed an article calling for people to mass in the streets throwing rocks, etc.  That's likely.

 Unfortunately, in the Truth Movement scam sold to leftists, this appears to confirm it really is a legitimate anti-war group because we know there's a history of government sponsored provocatours in the anti war movement.    So even if the mark is unusable, like me, they still have "sold" the frame: that the scam has a legitimate basis.   The people attempting to dismis

But they do succeed occasionally.   Captain Eric May, running a fraudulent "intelligence" group called Ghost Troop, hit pay dirt:

WASHINGTON (CNN) -- To most, the evidence against alleged Holocaust Museum shooter James von Brunn may seem overwhelming.

Surveillance camera video.
Eyewitness accounts.
Von Brunn's red Hyundai parked outside.
Ballistics.
But to some people in Von Brunn's e-mail chain and Web circles, there's a darker truth.
They say the June 10 shooting at the U.S. Holocaust Memorial Museum may be a "false flag" operation. The incident could have been staged by one group, perhaps what they describe as the Jewish-controlled U.S. government, to make it appear to be the actions of another group -- in this case, von Brunn and others who believe Jews exercise too much control in the United States.
In other words, von Brunn could have been set up, they contend.
Where others see meaningless coincidence, members of "Ghost Troop," an online group of writers and investigators bent on disproving official versions of the September 11, 2001, attacks and other major events, have a penchant for seeing what they argue is meaningful evidence. Where others see the smoke of understandable and inevitable inconsistency, they see fire.

Ghost Troop members are trying to build the case that von Brunn, an ardent believer in conspiracy theories, was himself the victim of a conspiracy.
Ghost Troop's center of focus until now has been the 2001 terrorist attacks. The museum shooting has opened yet another window into the thinking of a group that believes many highly public and publicized events are rarely what they appear to be.
"It's possible that he [von Brunn] might have been enticed to the Holocaust Museum," said Ghost Troop member William Fox. Fox said that Israeli intelligence agents could have shot security officer Stephen Johns, then shot von Brunn, then planted the rifle.
"Today's shootings at the DC Holocaust Museum bear some of the classic earmarks of a false flag operation," wrote conspiracy theorist Eric May on the Web site amfirstbooks.com.
"Mind you, I'm not asserting that this is a false flag operation, but neither am I discounting the possibility. I exhort Internet researchers to look into this carefully and publish results," May wrote.
An Embassy of Israel official in Washington, informed of the Ghost Troop speculation, declined comment, saying it deserved none.

Brunn is obviously a violent fool, but he was also a tool.  It's doubtful by himself he would have taken these actions if he wasn't being fed a steady deliberate stream of conspiracy garbage designed to work people up.  It fits the pattern described by SPLC: 

"The Patriot movement has a track record of recruiting people based on paper activism and transforming them into those who would use bullets instead." 

May has a history of working closely with con artists and Holocaust Deniers, and is almost certainly lying through his teeth when he stated to CNN:

 In an interview Friday, May said that von Brunn corresponded with him from 2006 to 2009, and distributed May's writings to others. But von Brunn was not a Ghost Troop member, May said.
"I came to regard him as one of my readers and critics," May said. "I believe he was an eccentric and brilliant man. I thought he was bigoted. We shared many views, but his view [on race] is not one of them."
May said he was initially surprised by von Brunn's alleged involvement in the museum shooting, saying that von Brunn "never threatened direct action, although he sometimes commented or made allusions to how there needs to be an uprising."
Now, May said, his "theory, but not conviction [is] that this was a staged event, a contrived shooting."

Neat bit of dancing that, eh?  Encourage people to "take up arms", then, when they do and get caught, pretend not to know them, and use them to promote the "false flag" conspiracy.   

Hell, Webster Tarpley did this to himself during the "Kennebunkport Hoax"; once it was clear his not so anonymous video harassment campaign by proxy wasn't having the desired effect(ie, it was not being sold as a grassroot effort, but, correctly, being traced right back to him and other high profile frauds), he claimed his video calling people duped in the Truth Movement "cointelpro" was itself a hoax.  Soon after this video disappeared from the internet.  (It's amazing what these frauds can do when they're motivated.  Pity "Killtown" and company can't get a clue.)

Last note on May:  he claims to not share Brunn's veiws on "Da Jews", but this is a lie:

 Believe me, all, those of us, like Ghost Troop, who are intellectual opponents of the Jewish Zionist kulturkampf -- which we call the infowar -- are the rational opposition. I provide one stark link to our unit infowar history, from this summer, when we were involved in what we coded "Ghost Troop 9112B." It's from a most valued international infowar ally who stabbed us in the back for trying to hold true to the Constitution, when he and his cult wanted us to renounce that prudent pact to join a growing international -- and revolutionary -- movement against the Jews http://100777.com/node/1373

It's we moderates, anti-Zionists though not antisemites, who will eventually be swept away by primordial forces, after being labeled compromisers and cowards for obeying the dictates of conscience and Constitution. When that happens, who will the Jews have to blame but themselves, when the blame game turns on the Jews and the Christian Demiurge they have nurtured matures into a self-minded, cruel demon?

"O Jerusalem," Christ said in sorrow, and Jesus wept.

Captain Eric H. May, MI, USA
CO, Ghost Troop, 3/7 Cybercav+
Mission of Conscience / Patriots in Action

He claims to not be anti-Semite  but blames Jews for being attacked by antisemites?

Back to Redemption...

Redemption is part of the Tax Protester movement which includes some of the battiest of Patriot bats in 9/11 "truth":

Rosalee "Webfairy" Grable's mentor Fred Smart and his antics with Ed and Elaine Brown:     

Edward Lewis Brown (born 1942) and his wife, Elaine Alice Brown (born c. 1940), residents of the state of New Hampshire, gained national news media attention in early 2007 for not paying the U.S. federal income tax and for refusing to surrender to federal government agents after having been convicted of tax crimes.^[1] After the conviction and sentencing, a long, armed standoff with federal law enforcement authorities at their New Hampshire residence ended with the arrest of Edward and Elaine Brown on October 4, 2007.^[2][3][4] In July 2009, while serving their sentences for the tax crimes, the Browns were found guilty by a federal district court jury of additional criminal charges arising from their conduct during the standoff.

Shortly after his imprisonment, Ed Brown claimed that he has been mistreated, tasered, gassed, subjected to sensory deprivation, and isolated from other inmates.^[48] In a recorded telephone call between Ed Brown in prison and a Brown supporter named Shaun Kranish, Brown and Kranish revealed that Kranish had previously introduced Brown to a man known as "Dutch" who thereby infiltrated Brown's circle of acquaintances, and that Dutch turned out to be a security consultant hired by the U.S. Marshals service (http://www.quatloos.com/Q-Forum/viewtopic.php?f=27&t=1491&start=45). In a radio interview with Fred Smart, Kranish said, "he said his name was Daniel Farrioli" and that "Dutch was clearly a professional, well-informed about Kranish's interests and susceptibilities, and skilled in deception." Dutch was among the group of deputies arresting Ed and Elaine Brown on October 4, 2007, ending the standoff.^[48]

Tax Resistor conspiracies are still used to sell the "Truth" con, now being promoted of all places at 9/11 Blogger by the webmaster Orangutan:

http://911blogger.com/news/2013-12-23/100-years-enough-time-make-fed-public-utility

100 Years Is Enough: Time to Make the Fed a Public Utility

Posted by Orangutan. on Mon, 12/23/2013 - 7:42am

• Ellen Brown
• Washington's Blog

Posted on December 23, 2013 by WashingtonsBlog

Guest post by Ellen Brown.

December 23rd, 2013, marks the 100^th anniversary of the Federal Reserve, warranting a review of its performance.  Has it achieved the purposes for which it was designed?

The answer depends on whose purposes we are talking about.  For the banks, the Fed has served quite well.  For the laboring masses whose populist movement prompted it, not much has changed in a century.

It muddles along for a bit, the usual mix of fact and conspiracy, until we get to the point:

It may be time for a new populist movement, one that demands that the power to issue money be returned to the government and the people it represents; and that the Federal Reserve be made a public utility, owned by the people and serving them. The firehose of cheap credit lavished on Wall Street needs to be re-directed to Main Street.

After all the abuses of Wall Street, this sounds temptingly reasonable.  Unfortunately it's being pushed on a website now commited to supporting outright hoaxes and frauds, making me question Ellen's agenda.  I absolutely do not trust her.  True she has a profile on Huffo,  
www.huffingtonpost.com/ellen-brown/‎

but she's also at Common Dreams and Truth Out:

truth-out.org/author/itemlist/user/44779
www.commondreams.org/author/ellen-brown

Her work is promoted at Global Research, (in the past a platform for Anti-Semitism):

 http://tv.globalresearch.ca/2013/11/ellen-brown-finance-capital-vs-public-banking

 As for her "Public Banking Institute", Wikipedia has nothing:

 The page "Public Banking Institute" does not exist.

It smells more and more like another scam....

And sure enough, with a little digging, we're back to the Patriot/Truth/Holocaust Denier endorsed con:

The Real Deal with Jim Fetzer podcast: Ellen Brown

An Analysis of the Economic Meltdown. Posted by Total at 11:02 PM.

http://radiofetzer.blogspot.com/2011/09/ellen-brown.html

 Friday, March 22, 2013

Karen Hudes / Ellen Brown

Financial whistleblowers

Posted by Total at 10:30 PM

 

http://radiofetzer.blogspot.com/2013/03/karen-hudes-ellen-brown.html

Keep in mind Fetzer was the first to give Grable's "theories"(most likely not her own at all, but the result of brainwashing by Smart) a wide audience. 

Ellen's board members aren't reassuring either:  Mike Kraus, committed to her public Banking Project, is given a voice at Truthdig and questioned by a reader:

http://www.truthdig.com/avbooth/item/can_the_fdic_protect_your_money_from_another_crash_20130831?ln

Mike Krauss, a former executive director of the Pennsylvania Republican State Committee, a founding director of the Public Banking Institute and chair of the Pennsylvania Project,

And:

jesse

• 2 months ago

who is Mike Krauss, his background is sketchy and he's a former Republican official in Pennsylvania. He lives in Mexico - who is he? Where has he worked? You should truthdig.

50/50 this comment is a plant by a "player" trolling to see who else finds this progressive sounding Public Bank program being pushing by a Republican an bit odd.  It's still a good question.  

Another board member, Ann Tulintseff, makes the asstounding statement: " "The government is in debt to private banks that pretend to have money".  Her work is promoted by another "truther" website:

Online Journal Piece On Ellen Brown Book - Pilots For 9/11 Truth ...

pilotsfor911truth.org › ... › Study › Research › Root of all Evil?‎

Mar 3, 2009 - 10 posts - ‎4 authors

By Ann Tulintseff Online Journal Contributing Writer Mar 2, 2009, 00:20. Web of Debt: The Shocking Truth About Our Money System and How ...

It is possible some of the people involved are themselves victims of a scam, but my experience tells me the lawyer of the group is always in on it:

Chairman and President

Ellen Brown, J.D., developed her research skills as an attorney practicing civil litigation in Los Angeles.

Is this "Redemption" all over again?  Or is it something more insidious? 

While it appeals to the fringe's blaming "bankers" (Jews) for the nation's troubles, there seems to be less of a push to get people to do things that will get them arrested and violently radicalised.

 This "Redemption" incarnation seems packaged to be sold to the reasonable left, not the radical right.     Pity they chose a sales man from the fringe right(Fetzer), because that's the first flag Ellen Brown is probably a fraud, a person pretending to left, progressive values, while knowingly pushing a fringe right agenda. 

 Whatever is going on, the Public Banking Institute is not being honest about who they are and what interests they represent.