Time for a wee retrospective on "trolls" and how they reinforce the 9/11 "truth" scam.
Recently "videohoax" has become more active at 911blogger as a champion of Glenn Greenwald:
http://911blogger.com/news/2014-01-01/risks-trusting-snowden-story
Really surprising, this is a typical baseless smear job
I've enjoyed Kevin Ryan's work as well as Sibel
Edmonds. I watch Corbett's podcast pretty regularly, but recently with
this jumping on the band wagon of essentially calling one of the most
important journalists we have a shill or somehow working for the enemy
has turned me off to almost all of their work. In my eyes it has
significantly hurt all of their credibility in the 9/11 truth movement
and elsewhere. Nothing in Ryan's article proves anything.
Pretty sad that someone has effectively caused a divide and conquer
scenario with one of the best allies we have outside of our 9/11 truth
bubble. Greenwald may not be openly for 9/11 truth but the net results
of his work have caused a lot of damage to the united states
credibility, and ultimately this should be the same goal we all share.
Very unfortunate and embarrassing day to consider myself part of the
movement.
videohoax on Sun, 01/05/2014 - 12:38pm.
Last I heard from videohoax was a weird comment they left on one of my articles that we'll examine later:
http://911blogger.com/node/19332
It was titled: "Heroes: The Metaphor and Evolution in 911 Activism Part 1" and can be found
here.
An excerpt for context and tone:
In The Mighty Wurlizer,
one of the ways the CIA managed activist groups was to outright fund
them. The catch was only a handful of people in these groups were
“witting”, that is, knew their funding came from government sources.
Today, the more likely source would be a front corporation with a feel
good name, like “The Alliance for Social Justice and Stuff”. Its
possible that the number of witting people could be increased in this
altered model.
So even in your most infiltrated group, most members will not know
it. But there will be clues. Witting and invested members( “made men”
in the mafia) will always try to cover up problems instead of solving
them. They will also be on the front lines to get rid of anyone who
comes too close to the operation. They will set up “theater” where
some members will fight others to convince the unwitting the group is a
random collection of sincere activists. They can make their own
internal disputes this way, and have the added advantage of being
completely controlled. This sounds a bit abstract; here’s a fictitious
scenario showing a possible operation starting in usenet and moving to
real life and back to usnet...
This was written before I understood the "truth" movement was a right-wing front and scam. But the techniques are still used, because scammers of all sorts use these techniques.
This article was received lukewarmly, though the future owner of the website was supportive. Even encouraging(ironic considering the latest turn of events):
I've been following this.
I noticed last week they introduced the concept
of RFID chips implanted in people. Hiro and his friend Ando each had
them and Ando had his forcibly put in against his will, but was assured
he'd not regret it. I'm wondering what way this show is going to go. I
shouldn't be surprised really if NBC or GE is airing it. Glad to see
you analyzing this aspect of our pop culture though Colonel. Keep it
up.
Submitted by Orangutan. on Mon, 02/09/2009 - 1:33pm
"Keep it up"? Surely he regrets those rash words now....
Then "videohoax" pops up to lead with this nonsensical bit:
i feel sorry for whoever
i feel sorry for whoever read that rant!
Submitted by
videohoax on Tue, 02/10/2009 - 11:48am
Passive aggressive much?
Videohoax did't always leave such comments. They used to sound quite civil:
http://911blogger.com/news/2006-09-08/my-review-9-11-press-truth
yeah i loved it
just got my copy in the mail yesterday. I was
very impressed by how effective it was without mentioning demolition,
wargames, or fake hijackers. I think this is the best 911 truth movie
ive seen since Loose Change 2.
Still waiting for my copy of improbable collapse, its been over a month and i still have not recieved it in the mail.
videohoax on Fri, 09/08/2006 - 12:45pm.
on bergers website it says
on bergers website it says it should already be
out technically, who did you hear this from? I wish i would have made
it out to the oakland showing, i live in fremont but luckily my copy
arrived in the mail on the same night.
videohoax on Fri, 09/08/2006 - 5:47pm.
they are two entirely
they are two entirely different films, one is a
direct implication that is an inside job false flag attack
(greatconspiracy) and one lets the viewer's imagination fill in the
blanks on what happened but directly implies a cover up
(911pressfortruth). They have a different agenda and i think they each
do the job well, however i think PRess for truth would be significantly
more effective in converting fence sitters, people on the left, and even
republicans that the 9/11 investigation was an obvious coverup. While i
am a firm Mihopper, i think its good to see a different style of film
made about 911 with high production values.
videohoax on Fri, 09/08/2006 - 5:50pm.
That last one I've highlighted for the evidence these people deliberately had the idea of recruiting from the left for their right wing front. Videohoax also fishes for feedback about targetting this audiance:
i think with the right
i think with the right marketing push and
distribution chain this film could get just as popular as some of the
recent liberal/left leaning documentaries like Freedom to Facism, Why we
Fight, and Who killed the electric car. I wonder what the
disinformation people are doing beyond these initial screenings. I
firmly believe we could see something like this at sundance or even
cannes
thoughts?
videohoax on Fri, 09/08/2006 - 5:53pm.
[Never mind "From Freedom to Fascism" was NOT a left documentary, but came from the fringe, crazed Libertarian right....]
But if videohoax is so concerned about the "disinformation people", then why did he leave a dismissive comment about my article about the kind of people pushing disinformatuon?
This comment is dishonest: the article is not a rant and can't be mistaken for one by any reasonable person. Therefore part of the purpose is to start an argument. This is manipulative.
Who does this? People sucked into the "truth" movement are conditioned to think "agents" or COINTELPRO. But because it's a fraud, we know there are no agents. Since there are no agents, and this comment is pointless except as lame flamebait, we can safely assume vidoehoax" is pushing and protecting the fraud.
It's one thing to spread useful paranoia among the "sheeple" that play them off each other. It's quite another to describe the dynamics of the fraud, whether it's used by "agents" or conartists, such that site users will be able to see when they're being manipulated. I'm sure that's what "videohoax" objected to: an article that helped people not only see through the fog, but risked them discovering the fraud.
It's interesting to note from obtained traffic records"videohoax" only visited the thread for a minute and a half:
Visit Length:1 min 34 secs
That includes the time s/he took to comment on a 1000+ word document . Either they were sent a copy to read, or they came with an agenda to leave a dismissive comment because of the author, hoping to demoralize or discourage them.
The irony is, had these clowns used this tactic in late 2007, it might have sorta worked. Instead they used the rightwing-cult-scare tactics of video stalking and intimidation..
.guaranteeing people like me wouldn't leave until they knew exactly who was doing this shit. If it had been the governement, I would be sitting on a nice fat settlement right now.
But it's not the government. It's a cluster of fringe conspiracy frauds terrified of being caught. As they should be.
Because I frankly don't care where the fat settlement check comes from.
Final note of "videohoaxs" return: they post less than 15 mins after a comment about cult leader Webster Tarpley and don't blink an eye:
Tarpley has been saying this for months...
Tarpley sums up how to tell a limited hangout operation in his latest World Crisis Radio broadcast...
- The "whistleblower" has a "Damascus Road conversion"
- Nothing new is revealed
- Nothing is revealed about the big covert ops (like 9-11)
- No politician gets canned
- The "whistleblower" becomes an immediate media darling while real whistleblowers struggle to get noticed...
...listen at http://tarpley.net/world-crisis-radio/
jimwilkie on Sun, 01/05/2014 - 12:22pm.
Videohoax knows which side his bread is buttered on.
[Edit: it's come to my attention some funny editing is going in in that thread. Now "videohoax" has a comment addressing this one:
yes the same Tarpley who said
yes the same Tarpley who said that Cosmos and
Jim Hoffman were basically both government agents with absolutely no
evidence (they called out Tarpley for his signed petition scandal)
during a 9/11 truth conference.
videohoax on Sun, 01/05/2014 - 12:45pm.
I know for a fact that comment didn't exist at 12:55pm. Unfortunately I didn't think it was screen worthy to capture...but someone running the website thinks traffic to this thread is worrying enough to get someone to address this. No, Cosmos is not a government agent. I doubt Hoffman is either. But I know Hoffman's wife is a con artist...
Another new comment from videohoax(is this guy a speed typist?), with an amusing reply from jkeogh:
Glad to see others agree that
Glad to see others agree that this is getting
kinda ridiculous. I wonder why Ryan Sibel and Corbett decided to all
damage their credibility so heavily by jumping on board baseless
Mainstream media style smears? Really sad, because up until this point I
saw them as some of the best researchers we had.
videohoax on Sun, 01/05/2014 - 12:40pm.
This is rank hypocrisy after the webmaster and mods were told to delete all posts from one account because the user does not want to be associated with their fraudulent website.
Not only did they refuse to do this, but they invented a new rule March 2012 that everything posted to the website is there forever:
http://911blogger.com/rules
GENERAL RULES: POSTING AND COMMENTING
Posts and comments made on 911blogger.com are stored forever.
Material generally remains published unless it is determined to be in
violation of the rules.
So how does does wee "videohoax" get a waiver? Because he registered before the rule change? That can't be it because the account requesting deletion of posts was also registered before the rule change.
There's only one reason for a rule like that, which I'll explore in a future blog.
For now let me note Keogh is lying: videohoaxes earliest post has nothing to do with "no planes". But there
are "no planers" nearby his earlier posts, including my bestest buddy Craig "KT" Lazo:
Implosion world PDF and 911myths.com need some debunking
I think this website is one of the lower
quality debunkingf sites out there. Paul watson should go after 911
myths.com (which has a lot more comprehensive info) and someone,
probably steven jones or an explosives expert needs to debunk the PDF
that implosionworld wrote recently. These are the new ammunition for the
debunking community because the popular mechanics stuff isnt working
for them anymore. The implosion world piece seems fairly credible, but
id love to see an expert tear it to shreds.
"Stop giving attention to the "no plane theory" disinfo agents like
Nico Haupt, Morgan Reynolds, Shayler, killtown, CB_Brooklyn, webfairy,
Holmgren, and others who are sabotaging this movement, either by sheer
stupidity or intentionally." - V for Vendetta
videohoax on Fri, 09/22/2006 - 2:49pm.
Note: as a results of complaints, Justin Keogh appears to have destroyed his contact email address. At least it bounces and claims the host doesn't exist.
