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Mar 11, 2015

Infoshop News: Debunking the 9/11 Movement: repost

Sometime in mid 2007 a radical left email list noticed they were getting inundated with 9/11 movement spam.   In response, the  article "Debunking the 9/11 Movement" was posted at Infoshop.   This is a much more useful approach than just debunking theories because it gives context to why the "movement" is so attached to reactionary politics and fringe political figures.  They make their own points from a left radical perspective, not the least of which anarchists, already with a dubious rap, really can't afford to make alliances with racist tolerant loons.  They also make a good point about "seeing the light", which inside "truth" is called "waking up".   Equating "truth" with a religious conversion and encouraging people to act with blind faith is one of the creeper aspects of the 911 "truth" movement.

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Debunking the 9/11 Movement

The 9/11 movement is a very troublesome development in American politics. A movement of people who have legitimate questions about the attacks that happened on September 11, 2001 has morphed into a conspiracy cult dominated by people who make a living peddling nonsense and exploiting ignorance.


It would be unfair to the 9-11 “Truth” movement to completely lump it in with the 9-11 conspiracy movement, but there is considerable overlap at this point. The 9-11 movement has gone from one that asked important questions to one that promotes outlandish theories and outright nonsense. The original goals of the movement have now been eclipsed by conspiracy theories about U.S. Government orchestration of the September 11 attacks. What may have been laudable attempts to encourage the public into critical thinking about 9/11 has devolved into religious devotion to a 9/11 conspiracy cult.

Infoshop is contributing to ongoing efforts that seek to challenge and debunk the conspiracy theorists. We encourage people to engage in critical thinking, not just about government officials but about the critics as well. While it's important to question the authority of government and experts, it's also important to be skeptical of DIY experts and authorities in the conspiracy movement. This page has been created to challenge what we see as an unfortunate waste of time that has affected some of our friends. It's important to understand the difference between the liberal shallowness of 9/11 conspiracy theory and a more solid radical analysis of state power, capitalism, imperialism and everything else that really exists.

Websites Critical of 9/11

9/11 Myths
Debunking 9/11 Conspiracy theories
Journal of Debunking 911 Conspiracy Theories
Loose Change Second Edition Viewer Guide
Popular Mechanics: 9/11: Debunking The Myths
Snopes debunks the claim that a missile, not AA77, hit the Pentagon
That's Just Stupid

Articles Debunking 9/11 Conspiracies

The 9/11 Conspiracy Nuts: How They Let the Guilty Parties of 9/11 Off the Hook
The Truth about the “9/11 Truth Movement” [PDF]

Reviews

Loose Change - Internet Detectives
Louis Proyect reviews Loose Change

Debunking Common 9/11 Myths

No evidence of government coordination of attacks

The 9/11 conspiracy movement has focused attention on outlandish theories involving robot-controlled planes and controlled demolition of the World Trade Center Towers. Yet no evidence, of any kind, has been found that gives any evidence that the government planned or organized these conspiracies. No documents have been found. There is no physical evidence supporting the idea that the U.S. Government orchestrated the attacks. Nobody involved in these alleged conspiracies has stepped forward. One of the significant weaknesses of conspiracies is that people eventually talk. We know about past covert U.S. foreign policies because evidence and information eventually came to light.

Omniscience of the government

Many of the theories espoused by 9/11 movement members about government facilitation or complicity in the 9/11 attacks assume that the U.S. government is a competent, all powerful, all seeing entity. The U.S. government is obviously none of these things. Yet 9/11 theorists would have us believe that a government full of incompetent people and agencies would be totally competent when it comes to organizing terrorist attacks and keeping information about the conspiracy totally sealed shut.
A radical analysis of 9/11 that is ignored by leftists and activists in the 9/11 movement is the fact that the 9/11 attacks illustrated how disorganized, incompetent and weak the U.S. government really is.
Planes weren't skyjacked and crashed into the Pentagon and World Trade Center
There is plenty of evidence that planes were crashed into these building. Planes were destroyed. Buildings were damaged and destroyed. Thousands of people were killed.
One of the wilder 9/11 conspiracy theories has it that a missile was fired into the side of the Pentagon. This is simply false because hundreds of people witnessed the plane crash into the Pentagon. The area around the Pentagon is surrounded by parking lots and highways, which were all full of people on the morning of September 11. Accounts from these witnesses were published and aired by local media on September 11 and in subsequent weeks.

Why is the 9/11 movement an example of liberal politics?

Obsession with 9/11 conspiracies is an example of “arrested radicalization”

Belief about “people seeing the light”

One of the fundamental mistaken assumptions held by 9/11 conspiracy movement members is that if people knew that the government organized the 9/11 attacks that something would happen. 9/11 cultists believe that “if only people woke up” that they would be motivated to take action against the current regime. This belief, which has religious undertones, is problematic for several reasons. It invests an incredible amount of power into the hands of President Bush and his friends, which they simply don't have. It implies that getting rid of George Bush would make everything right, which completely misses the entire history of American imperialism and military aggression. This belief also overestimates the public reaction if their theories about government orchestration proved to be correct. The American public would be outraged, but it is unlikely that they would take any action beyond voting the Republicans out of office (which is going to happen anyway).
This core belief of 9/11 conspiracy theorists also ignores the fact that most Americans are aware of the movement's theories about 9/11. If many Americans know about the 9/11 conspiracy theories, then why do they reject the movement's theories? These theories are widely available on the Internet and in other media. The government is not jailing or persecuting 9/11 movement members. The uncomfortable fact is that the general public rejects the 9/11 movement because it is simply wrong.

Why the 9/11 movement is a dangerous diversion for political activists

The 9/11 movement is a diversion from real radicalism and organizing that needs to be done against the systems that really are the problems. The 9/11 movement builds up the Bush administration as some kind of avatars for all kinds of government corruption, imperial ambition, secrecy and many other things that can be found in any American regime. The Bush administration is not the first to start wars on lies and flimsy reasoning. The Bush administration did not start government surveillance of American citizens. Both parties have a proven track record of violating civil liberties and the freedoms of people like you and me.
The 9/11 movement also discredits activists and associates us with conspiracy whackjobs and religious nuts. Our views are not well-represented in mainstream discourse, so we cannot afford to associate with people who have a flimsy grasp on reality. Would you rather have your movement composed of many Noam Chomskys or of Alex Joneses? We'll take Chomsky, thank you.




 

Jan 18, 2014

Revleft: A real anarchist's perspective on the 9/11 "Truth" Movement

This isn't 100% correct, but very close, and much closer than many so called "debunkers" have come.  They get the tactic of wooing the left with deceptive propaganda correct(highlighted in red). They're less informed on the exact source from the far right and it's top players.  But then neither was I at one time. Alex Jones and David Icke are players, but they're more of the profit mongering/sell DVD's get rich scammers. It's the Larouche/Ron Paul/Libertarian/Racist Militant/Tea Party who drove the "truth" machine as a political vehicle. 

Still, very good insights.

Also an indirect clue the so called "anarchists" pushing 911 Truth at the time were phoneys;  one of their associates is registered at this board, and no one, I do mean not one of the con-artists, has ever referred to this article, not even in a " Hey guys! look at this disinfo!"  way.

Perhaps an indication they would prefer the idea the "Truth" movement is a con not to get any play.....

Good luck with that.

http://www.revleft.com/vb/whole-9-11-t70635/index.html
The whole 9/11 truth movement

14th February 2008, 22:45


I posted this on another board and I think it's a good read for here. This is basically me showing what the true plans of the whole 9/11 truth movement is about and the trick they're trying to play on people. I think it's a good analysis and the next time we get people here saying "OMG look at building 7" or anything of the type, this could be a good response, especially for those people who believe in these conspiracy theories and who have left-leaning thinking.
Plus when one does research on the movement and it's leaders, one sees that this is a trick by the ultra-right free-market libertarians to try to trick people (who otherwise wouldn't) into supporting their cause.
I'll explain.

The leaders of these 9/11 truth movements themselves are also believers of something they call the "NWO" or the "New World Order", and they're not talking about a new world order in a metaphoric sense, but they're talking about it in a literal sense. They literally believe that a powerful secret group has been planning (for over 100 year according to them) to take over the world and that, "both the U.S. and Soviet governments are controlled by the same furtive conspiratorial cabal of internationalists, greedy bankers, and corrupt politicians. If left unexposed, the traitors inside the U.S. government would betray the country's sovereignty to the United Nations for a collectivist New World Order managed by a 'one-world socialist government." That quote is by Robert Welch Jr., the founder of the John Birch Society (a far-right conservative group who started these conspiracy theories, I'll get back to them later).

These people honestly believe that there is a "NWO" that will make a one world government and that it it force collectivism and socialism down our throats. They claim that the U.N. is one of those organizations. They claim that all major figures in world history from Karl Marx to Woodrow Wilson to Hitler to Noam Chomsky are all in on it. Also they believe that black helicopters are flying all over the world right now, planning to implement their plans of world domination (NoamChomsky made fun of these "black helicopters" claim once in a speech I heard on youtube).

All these conspiracy theories come from an old U.S. political organization called the John Birch Society. This organization is a far-right free-market libertarian organization. They've hated all the U.S. presidents (both Democrats and Republicans), considering them all part of the "NWO" conspiracy. Many of the people from this portion of the right wing is not even liked very much by the ruling class. These people sort of knew that it would be very hard to get the people of the United States of America to believe them in their causes. In the 90's, they had the support of the right-wing militia movements of the "angry white men" but other than that, they could get no more support. Nor did the far-right people in general get the support they have hoped for. Then 9/11 happened.

Being consistent, they pushed the claims that Bush and company where behind 9/11. These far right people where against the "war on terror" from the beginning and they've been against most wars of the past but not for the humanitarian reason, but because wars force the state to spend more and increase and that they believe their "NWO" conspiracies.

A good portion of the people in the U.S. were against the war and against all the mayhem Bush was creating. This is when the whole "Bush did 9/11" thing started getting popular. These far-right free-market libertarians pushed the whole "Bush did 9/11" and they pushed for an end of all U.S. foreign intervention. The far-right started to ride the wave of legit anti-Bush sentiments, pushing only the points that "Bush was behind 9/11" and that "all the wars should end". BUT THEY NEVER TALK ABOUT THEIR ALTERNATIVES (which is what Chomsky pointed out), WHICH ARE FREE-MARKETS, AND VERY ANTI-LABOR AND MANY TIMES, ANTI-SEMITIC. These same people who lead and are behind the 9/11 movements are so far-right that the current ruling class thinks they're a joke. Lets take a look at some of these people:

Alex Jones: He's probably the leader in this whole 9/11 movement. This guy is a free market pusher. He hates Bush, but he's from the right of Bush (scary no??). He has pushed this "NWO" theory. He claims Communism, Socialism and Anarchism are just conspiracies, funded by wall street to create chaos so that the conditions can occur for the "NWO" to take over. He interviewed Noam Chomsky once and after the interview, Jones (like a coward, not being able to say it to Chomsky's face) called Chomsky an "NWO shill" (meaning that Chomsky is supposedly a part of the "NWO"). I think we all know how ridiclous that sounds.

David Icke: This is a big name in the 9/11 truth movement. He claims that the VERY anti-semitic writing, The Protocols of the Elders of Zion, reveals a plan for the "NWO" to rule the world. This is very anti-semitic. He claims that every important world leaders in history were and are reptilian humanoids (aliens). According to him, every big world leader is a reptile alien, from Britain's late Queen Mother to George H.W. Bush, Hillary Clinton, Harold Wilson, and Tony Blair. He's had a history with the white militias of the 90's.

Robert M. Bowman: He was a former Director of Advanced Space Programs Development for the U.S. Air Force in the Ford and Carter administrations, and a former United States Air Force Lieutenant Colonel. He has pushed that Bush was behind 9/11. He was also campaigned nationwide for the nomination of the Reform Party of the United States of America for President of the United States. This is the same party that had the ethnocentric Pat Buchanan as their candidate.

Steven E. Jones: This is the famous physics professor that has helped fueled the whole WTC 7 thing. He actually supported George W. Bush before 9/11 and he has had a history with the republican party.

Morgan Reynolds: He was the chief economist for the United States Department of Labor during 2001–2002, George W. Bush's first term. He has also been big in the 9/11 movement. Before the 9/11 truth thing, he claimed that labor unions exacerbates unemployment and inflation. He has been HUGE in anti-labor thinking, blaming unions for everything. He hates labor regulation, and he has pushed the U.S. to move to a completely free-market and to reject labor movements.

Notice how these leaders of the 9/11 movement are mainly far-right free-market lovers and what they're doing is they're riding the anti-Bush sentiments to try to gain power so that they can establish their far-right domestic policies (free-markets, anti-labor laws, "states-rights", etc) behind people's backs. These 9/11 leaders don't want to talk about their alternatives, because such alternatives are not what poor and working people would support.

It looks like the trick is working. Many people with left-leanings are falling for joining and supporting this whole truth movement. This is why Ron Paul became so popular over the internet, gaining support from people with left-leaning politics. This movement only wants to sneak in their free-market, small government, anti-labor policies and they use such things (anti-Bush feelings, 9/11, anti-war, etc) to gain support from factions they wouldn't otherwise get.

"It looks like the trick is working. Many people with left-leanings are falling for joining and supporting this whole truth movement"

Well, it worked for a while.  Then it stopped working. 

Better late than never.