28pages.org: Latest Libertarian "Truther" Swindle

 Update: 9/10:

The webmaster is apparently going public with Abby Martin, according to his Twitter feed--that he links to from his website, and therefore it shouldn't be too difficult for some people to suss out who he is, sigh):

28Pages.org ‏@28Pages

Brian McGlinchey of http://28Pages.org  to appear on @BreakingTheSet w @AbbyMartin Thursday 9/11 at 6 & 9:30pm #Declassify

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It all started at Facebook where someone asks who's responsible for the 28pages.org website.  A simple search shows 28pages.org is soley being promoted by the conspiracy bridage:

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    Massie speaks at Press Conference Regarding 9/11 Documents ... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_Massie ... That's a bunch of baloney, as if not having access to the 28 pages prevents people from knowing the truth.
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It's painful to watch people again and again fail to get the obvious:  911 "Truth" is a far right con.  So it's no surprise the person  behind 28pages.org is yet another "Freedom, Liberty, Constitution"  Paulbot.  Ron Paul wrote the book on selling political cons for years and making millions to boot.

28pages.org is the website of  Ron Paul fanatic Brian McGlinchey.   He promotes it at Facebook on his LibertyMcG page:

 https://www.facebook.com/pages/LibertyMcG/383080208372978

A page for followers of LibertyMcG.com, Brian McGlinchey's brand-new blog on politics and policy from a perspective that values individual freedom and...

Read more

http://libertymcg.com/

 

 https://www.facebook.com/permalink.php?story_fbid=891534200860907&id=383080208372978

LibertyMcG shared a link.

14 July

It's time to finally declassify those 28 pages of the 9/11 Report

28 Pages.org

28pages.org

A resource center for the growing, bipartisan movement to declassify 28 pages of the 9/11 Commission...

McGlinchey also promoted 28pages.org under his personal account:

 https://www.facebook.com/RepThomasMassie/posts/834056359951863

Brian McGlinchey Thank you for your vocal leadership in the drive to declassify 28 pages from a 9/11 report detailing foreign government involvement in 9/11. There's a new site to support the cause: http://28pages.org/

1 · July 15 at 11:33am · Edited

 

McGlinchey is the sole owner of the website at this time:

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Presumably in an attempt to obfuscate the fringe right origins, McG has wasted no time wooing a misguided "truther" into the 28pages orbit:

28Pages.org Thanks to Jon Gold for capturing the CSPAN broadcast. His channel: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC66YC8HKheNZC5NTTLZq3yg

1 · July 23 at 11:33am

This soon after foolishly jumping onto this scamwagon with both feet:

Jon Gold

July 23 at 6:12am ·

If and when the 28 redacted pages of the Joint Congressional Inquiry are released, and people in our Government try to use those pages as an excuse to go to war with Saudi Arabia (which I don't think they can do since Saudi Arabia owns a large portion of this country), we will need to make sure the whole history of the relationship between Saudi Arabia and those two hijackers in San Diego is known, that the whole history of the CIA seemingly protecting those two hijackers in San Diego is known, that one of the first things Bush did when he came into office was to tell the alphabet agencies to "back off" the Saudis and the Bin Ladens, that we have protected Saudi Arabia's support for terrorism since long before 9/11, that the Bush Family, George Tenet and Prince Bandar were really good friends (money connected to those two hijackers in San Diego came from the Bandar family), that George W. Bush and Bandar were talking about the need for "decisive action" in Iraq in the months before 9/11, that Bandar said Saudi intelligence was following most of the hijackers "with precision," that Philip Zelikow and Prince Bandar both belong to the Aspen Strategy Group, that the Consulate in Jeddah where some of the hijackers got their Visas was the same consulate used in the 80's to bring "terrorists" to the U.S. to train for the Afghanistan/Russia War, that the VIsa Express Program, a program used by some of the hijackers to get visas, applied only to Saudi Arabia and was started months before 9/11. Stuff like that…

Any doubts about 28pages.org being a fringe extremist astroturf project should be demolished by this post at the Daily Paul:
[UPDATE: link to Daily Paul has been scrubbed.   Who knows why..possibly to obscure the anti "gubmint"politics of the Alt-Right Libertarians now they have an ear in Trump "gubmint".   So here's a Wayback link...bitches. ]

28Pages.org: "Because Foreign Government Involvement in 9/11 Shouldn't Stay Secret"

Submitted by BP_McLiberty on Thu, 07/17/2014 - 18:33

New site launched as a "resource for the growing movement to declassify a 28-page finding about foreign government involvement in 9/11"...
Foreign Government Involvement in 9/11 Shouldn’t Stay Secret
And that’s why we’ve launched 28Pages.org. More than a website, it will serve as an information and activism hub for citizens, elected officials and journalists who want to follow or join the growing, bipartisan movement to declassify a 28-page finding about foreign support for the 9/11 terrorists.
The 28-page redaction at issue is found in the report of the Joint Inquiry into Intelligence Community Activities Before and After the Terrorist Attacks of September 11, 2001. Not to be confused with the 9/11 Commission, this inquiry was a separate undertaking of the House and Senate intelligence committees.
While the resulting 838-page volume features many redacted words, sentences and paragraphs, President George W. Bush’s censorship of this particular section was comprehensive: 28 consecutive pages fully masked from public view, with only a few introductory paragraphs left intact. Within what little that is visible, we find the inquiry reviewed “FBI and CIA documents suggesting specific potential sources of foreign support for the September 11 hijackers.”
Check out the site and read the rest of this intro at 28Pages.org :
http://28pages.org/2014/07/17/foreign-government-involvement...

There is no "growing movement".  It's the same pool of fringe reactionary loons that brought us the Y2K scare and invented the "Truth" movement. For instance the Facebook page has a total of 25 likes at this time.

This swindle is aimed at a very small slice of the Facebook community.  For comparison NARAL ProChoice Texas  has 8,100 likes.   Granted, they've been around longer and have more chapters, but if the conspiracy scam ringmasters can't rally more that 25 of the Alex Jones/Icke troops after a week, maybe it's time to throw in the towel.

  Any doubts about McGlinchey's Libertarian DNA should be
dispelled with this photo with racist loon Ron Paul:

McGlinchey isn't the first Libertarian to plug the "truther" con.

[See: Lew Rockwell and Craig "Killtown" Lazo.
 http://jennyquarx.blogspot.com/2014/07/occupy-retospective-at-lady-liberty.html
 http://jennyquarx.blogspot.com/2014/04/on-rand-paul-tea-parties-and-white.html
 http://jennyquarx.blogspot.com/2014/03/the-anti-semite-elephant-in-room.html
 http://jennyquarx.blogspot.com/2014/02/lew-rockwell-gullible-libertarian-or.html
]

Sadly it doesn't look like he'll be the last.

Maybe there's something to these 28pages legitimate authorities should investigate.

But it's more likely, given Libertarian "truther" history, the agenda behind the 28pages.org website is to keep the "truther" con alive and/or promote the anti-Semite, anti government, conspiracy worldview fringe right political interests have exploited for decades.

Viva la Madness!

 For more on McG go to his linked in profile:


 https://www.linkedin.com/in/brianmcglinchey

28pages.org

Update:  Mild hilarity can be had at the expense websites run by frauds, pretending to disparage each other ...

Wow. Didn't think you could so easily top yourself. My statement that I am lobbying to have you demoted is not a threat as the statement is it's own action. What I said is already lobbying.
I'd also point out that I find your use of the term threat and suggestion that I make threats to be totally inappropriate and far beyond acceptable behavior for comments on this site. Who among us does everything we hope to do? I'm quite sure I haven't delivered on every promise. But "threats" are something else and you should know that.
Your behavior here further confirms my concern about your moderation. Or perhaps you need a break. Maybe you are burnt out just like anyone who really cares about this can be. Maybe you need to re-evaluate your position and get back to me, or rather us.
I don't 'believe' this stuff. I've learned how it works. Good strategy is not opinion but historical fact. The history of social movements and the history of this movement. Some things don't work and I do not intend to accept you laughing at me because I know what does. That's a direct act of ignorance, and it has no place in a movement about truth.

..... while both promote the exact same conspiracy blog about 28pages:

Site 1
Site 2

 "This is something real,"

Please. Stop.  This isn't funny.  It's sad.  In fact it's all a direct act of ignorance .

The Truth Movement and Loose Change: Selling Faux Legitimacy

This is important to note as a matter of record: the people from the far fringe right who founded and promoted the 9/11 "Truth" Movement went out of their way to appeal to the public and recruit persons to sell the "movement" as legit.  Public appeal would reach its apex through "Loose Change" and the three personalities recruited and/or manipulated to push it:  Dylan Avery, Jason Bermas and Korey Rowe.

There is much misguided anger directed at the Loose Change producers that would be better directed at Macromedia and the many interests who funded and egged on the trio. They've been called "traitors" and worse by pro-Bush debunkers, honest or otherwise.  An entire blog was dedicated to supposedly debunking the flawed facts in the film.  Years later, long after Loose Change has faded from public eye, the blog is still going allegedly exposing "truther" lies, but actually acting as platform for the same lies it claims to be exposing.  SLC purpose has always appeared to be a glorified gossip column trying to pass itself off as independent journalism.  It was easy to get legitimacy by mocking Loose Change; since then few who praised the blog in it's early days have revisited the site for an honest reappraisal. 

Even  rabid fans of the blog expressed wonder about the blog owners giving a platform to extremists:

 At 14 December, 2006 15:09,

 shawn said...
Ban ewing, please.

 At 14 December, 2006 17:12,  The Artistic Macrophage said...
ewing:

here is some advice. Provided you actually have the intellect to debate some of the 9/11 issues, you would actually get much more attention if you did debate, rather than spam. I can tell you that I personally immediately scroll over your posts without looking at them simply because they are spam.

TAM

 At 14 December, 2006 22:40,  Pat said...
Shawn, Ewing is Nico Haupt. I don't mind him spamming the comments because he does come up with interesting stuff as does BG.

 I suppose if one equates "interesting" garbage spam pushing a fraud with real journalism.

Hindsight being what it is, it's obvious "ewing" was a patsy in an elaborate fraud, his crazy act encouraged as a distraction.   For all it's 15 minutes of fame popular appeal "Loose Change" was never the problem, per se.  It was a symptom, or the latest reiteration of a problem: right extremists looking for new markets to sell New World Order woo, in this case one packaged and pitched to the anti war crowd.

"The Almond"; at JREF sums up the political climate of the time succinctly:

  8th October 2010, 05:18 AM
 The Almond

Perhaps more than you realize. In 2005~2006, when the 9/11 conspiracy theories were starting to become popular, many people thought it was a legitimate movement. By legitimate, I mean, news agencies and the public believed that a large, diverse group of people had conducted honest, thoughtful research and had realized that a conspiracy existed. This perception caused many people to see Loose Change (made by Bermas and Avery), and give the Truth movement the benefit of the doubt.

Of course, the first thing that was clear in 2006 was that this largely internet based fad was full of 3 groups of people:

1) Disaffected teenagers and 20-somethings who had nothing better to do
2) Neo-nazis, holocaust deniers
3) The insane, chronically uninformed or gullible

This little recent tidbit once again confirms what we've been saying for the past 4 years: The Truth movement is not a group of concerned citizens from all walks of life who are united by a logically consistent, evidence informed point of view. Rather, they're a loose agglomeration of disaffected 20-somethings, and when you step out of the internet reality they've created, they're living in their mom's basement, sucking down cheetos and wishing they were more popular and interesting.

The only point of contention I find with Almond's post is there should be four, not three categories.  By definition, if the anti-war public perceived a legitimate movement, some of them would join, making a fourth group:

4) Anit-war/anti Bush activists duped, for however long, by the previous three groups.

This last group is where most of the responsible truthers came from and why most of them are gone: once it was clear the movement refused to denounce the Holocaust denier/Nazis types, it was a short trip to the painful eye-opener that the Movement was always about pushing far right racist propaganda.  The anti-war hook was a sham to build a base.  "Loose Change" was a handy vehicle to support that sham.

It won't end well.

Farewell Hero Cynthia McKinney...

Not that she's gone anywhere.  She's still with us.  She's just not a hero in my eyes anymore.

I wrote about McKinney a long time ago, back when I was under the spell of American Blackout, a documentary that made an apparently good case for African American voter disenfranchisement during the Bush elections.  

Reality is messier, and, with a stomach churning predictability, it appears the person doing the docu was conned, or at least presented with a very incomplete picture.  From comments in this review:

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/09/22/movies/22blac.html

designed to generate hatred

I thought we saw the end of Cynthia McKinney and her Black Panther supporters when she lost her re election. Well it looks like shes back and this time brought some kid to back her up. Ian Inaba is a 28 year old Berkley Liberal whose claim to fame is creating Eminems Bush bashing video Mosh in 2004. Now McKinney stars in Inabas newest independent documentary focusing on alleged voter disenfranchisement. A second recount of Floridas votes by the Miami Herald and a consortium of major news organizations confirmed that George W. Bush won the 2000 election. Also, investigations by the U.S. Commission on Civil Rights and the U. S. Justice Departments Civil Rights Division found that no blacks were denied the right to vote in the 2000 election. During the 2004 election, Democratic Party operatives continued to perpetuate the myth that black voters were disenfranchised during the 2000 presidential election. If blacks had been denied the right to vote, then why did all of the Democratic Party senators, including John Kerry, John Edwards, Bob Graham and Bill Nelson refuse to support the filling of a voter fraud lawsuit by the Congressional Black Caucus? It is obvious that this poorly directed documentary is designed to generate hatred among black voters toward Republicans and should be avoided by all. Lets not even mention that this woman is also a racist. Check out youtube and find the video of her Black Panther supporters caught on tape spewing racist remarks.

– kams912,

I don't agree it was designed to generate "hatred", per se.  Bush junior was doing plenty to generate bad feeling all on his own.   But it does seem to have an agenda of radicalizing the left into believing things were worse than they were.  And I'm dubious about Democratic Operatives, though political operatives are certainly possible.

But it was the comment about the racist remarks that caught my attention.  Ever since conspiracy bilk master Richard Gage gave a speech in front of the notoriously anti Semite Nation of Islam, I've wondered about Ms. McKinney.  At the very least her failure to shut down the anti semite/Jew rhetoric of her ardent followers.  I'm more and more convinced McKinney is the Patriot/Militia/Tea Parties answer to an "alibi Jew" role to hide their deep hatred of black people. And it's known the far right makes strategic alliances with persons who share an extreme belief, in this case the mutual anti Semitism will make them over look that little African ancestry problem.

The racist remarks are true and can be heard here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3S8rHANZtE4

The ADL was not impressed:

ADL Condemns Racist, Anti-Semitic Tirades At Rep. Cynthia Mckinney's Concession Speech

Atlanta, GA, August 9, 2006 … The Anti-Defamation League (ADL) expressed outrage over the incident last evening in which members of Congresswoman Cynthia McKinney's security entourage, including individuals associated with the New Black Panther Party, physically and verbally attacked members of the media, spewing racist and anti-Semitic epithets.

"It's astonishing that in a democratic election anti-Semitism still rears its ugly head. Once again some McKinney supporters have resorted to anti-Semitism and racist language and are blaming Jews for her loss to an African-American opponent," stated Shelley Rose, ADL's Southeast Region Associate Director. "The fact that she has frequently included The New Black Panther Party -- which is perhaps the largest organized anti-Semitic and racist Black hate group in America-- in her security entourage is extremely troubling." 

According to reports and video coverage, as McKinney arrived at her campaign headquarters late last night, Steve Muhammad, one of McKinney's security staff scuffled with the media and was accidentally struck by a news camera carried by a television photographer, receiving a cut on the right side of his head.  Muhammad then physically lashed out at the photographer. During the scuffle, another member of her entourage who wore a New Black Panther Party pin shouted expletives at the media, including calling them "crackers" --a derisive term for whites – and telling them, "You got what you damn wanted. You got your Uncle Tom, now go put your cameras on him," referring to Hank Johnson, the African American candidate who defeated Ms. McKinney. He continued to rant, "You ain't in Israel and this ain't no Lebanese people, so back up. Gonna get your Jewish [expletive]… (inaudible)…."

Following McKinney's concession speech, a reporter attempted to ask the Congresswoman why she thought she lost. The New Black Panther member interrupted, shouting, "Why do you think she lost? You wanna know what led to the loss? Israel. The Zionists. You. Put on your yarmulke and celebrate." 

"This incident is reminiscent of the 2002 campaign in which Rep. McKinney's father "blamed the J-E-W-S" for her defeat," said Ms. Rose. "Rep. McKinney did not distance herself from the anti-Semitic comments then, and her service in Congress has been clouded by a perception that she also harbors such feelings."

So, alas, I must put aside the good feelings I had about Ms. McKinney.  I must conclude her refusal to denounce these comments by her followers is a sign of her approval and/or indifference to anyone offended. 


This is unfortunate because her comments in the  wake of the 9/11 attacks were not unreasonable, especially to those of us wondering how quickly we were told Osama Bin Laden was behind the attacks, with no evidence this knowledge was being used to prevent the attacks.  In that information vacue McKinney's statments made more sense than, "Oops, we couldn't have predicted it":

September 11 attacks

McKinney gained national attention for remarks she made following the 2001 US attacks, charging that the United States had advance knowledge of the attacks and that US President George W. Bush may have been aware of the incipient attack and allowed them to happen,^[17] allegedly due to his father's business interests: "It is known that President Bush's father, through the Carlyle Group, had–at the time of the attacks–joint business interests with the bin Laden construction company and many defense industry holdings, the stocks of which have soared since September 11."[17

Now as true as these criticisms might be, one has to look at the body of McKinney's political career before and after the attacks, and conclude everything is not as it appears.

This also casts a different light on the Webster Tarpley/LaRouche/Fetzer/wq2rx//Kennebunkport Fiasco.   The short version is the people "attacked" were in on the con.   Indirect evidence of this surfaced early this year, one of the "victims" being interviewed by a man now confirmed to directly support racist politicians.

So, yeah, that was a thing.   Sad, disappointing, but life goes on.

Occupy Retospective at Lady Liberty Lamp, Ron Paul and General Lunacy

With a couple amusing jabs at the Ron Paul political machine.

A couple of friends of mine got heavy into Occupy, one with an unfortunate fixation on Ron Paul, no matter how much evidence of Paul's racist associations leaked out.    It was like a perverse version of voting for the lesser evil strategy, except that Ron Paul was actually the greater evil. 

Occupy itself was fraught with issues before the scammers and loons Lady Liberty analyses jumped on the bandwagon, but this doesn't take away from LLL excellent points.  

One observation from the getgo is most of the infiltration is by political groups, conartists, or corporate opportunists from both camps.  Very little directly by the "gubmint", though of course this is happening, but in a much more subtle way. 

Infiltrators of the Occupy Movement.


Popular activist movements attract all manner of scavengers and hangers-on, most of which seek to capitalize on the success of the more popular group to compensate for the fact that the majority of society regards them as a bunch of babbling kooks. The Occupy Movement is no different, with everyone from The American Spectator to Zeitgeist seeing the mass throng of people as easy pickings by which to enlarge their subscriber base and coffers. Some of these groups, however, see the Occupy Movement as a means to seek legitimacy for their own morally reprehensible causes, whether that takes the form of racism, fraud or selling out activists to the feds.
Here then, is a list of some of the most odious and dangerous groups and individuals currently sucking off the teat of the Occupy Movement. These people shouldn’t be considered part of the broader Occupy Movement, no matter what sort of “authority” they claim.

A list follows heavily represented by"Patriot" pro militia groups, including our "friend" Dr. Paul:

-The Ron Paul Movement

Ron Paul cult of wackos

Personality cult built around a racist old coot. Why they’re involved with this is puzzling, because the overall thrust of the movement has been agitating for increased government oversight on Wall Street and banks and increased taxes on millionaires, which is something Ron Paul categorically opposes as being “un constitutional.” They want your money and your vote.

 Underline mine.

As the savvy are aware, the Ron Paul Campaign for Liberty was never far from the 9/11 "truth" conspiracy franchise, what with Ron Paul's wingman Lew Rockwell up to his eyeballs in Craig "killtown" Lazo's 911 movement forum. 

Zeitgeist deserves mention since it was pushed aggressively in "truther" circles at one time as a new "paradigm" or some-such.

911blogger.com/topics/zeitgeist

-Zeitgeist
UFO cult associated with something called The Venus Project, which is debunked in a very thorough manner here. The long and short of it is that they want your money.

One blog promoting Zeitgeist was frank about the vague mysteriousness or the promotional literature, often a "tell" of cult bait/switch:

 http://911blogger.com/news/2007-07-05/zeitgeist-movie-dvd-downloading-0

 Poor blogging
And poor website. After reading this blog, I know absolutely nothing about the film.
So I took the time to go to the website, and after looking at it, I know absolutely nothing about the film.
I don't even know why it would be a good reason and worth my time to go to the website, or watch the film.

 It's supposed to be a bit of a mystery
Therefore you don't get a long synopsis, only the Q: "What does Christianity, 911 and The Federal Reserve have in common?"
But in the blog, just look at the pictures here, the pictures.
Come on now, dear doughnut, just click the play button, you will not be wasting your time. Then tell us what you thought of it.

Seriously?   He needs to waste 2 hours of his life before he has any idea if it's worth it?

Another charming thread about Zeitgeist, with links to the Cassiopeia cult, and David Cole boosters like this guy:

Sorry pal, but after the monstrous 9/11 lie, why should anyone be shocked that 9/11 was not the first time history has been embellished and/or just plain made up? I would be surprised if 9/11 was the only or the biggest historical distortion of our ruling classes! War is always a tragedy for civilians, just ask the residents of Hiroshima and Nagasaki. Oh it was a "just war" alright! It was very just the way everyone except the wealthy backers of both sides (the same people of course) got to suffer equally. 6 million is a symbolic number that has been used even after the official mainstream accepted number killed at Auschwitz was reduced from 4 million to 1 million. Everything you want people to think about those who question the official holocaust narrative is in fact true of those who helped to cause and have since manipulated, misrepresented, and profited from genuine suffering of Jewish people during WW2. The lies and gross exaggerations of Zionists were just atrocity propaganda sanctioned by the victors of the war and used to justify the theft of Palestinian land conveniently near the world's oil fields so that european imperialists could hide behind the seemingly noble cause of restitution to Jewish victims of German war crimes.
For those shocked to read such things, be sure to look up the work of Jewish holocaust revisionist David Cole, and see what ended up happening to him for daring to question the official history. 9/11 Truthers should learn from his experience trying to bring the truth to people who don't want to hear it!
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Real Truther on Tue, 06/12/2007 - 3:13pm.

 And this guy:

When you look at what was done to David Cole...

Historian David Irving and many others who only search for truth you will know that the we're in the "violently opposed" stage of Holocaust discussion. Prof. Tony Martin is another example of someone, who merely questioned the Jewish role in the trans-Atlantic slave trade (and no more so than any other European race), and was attacked & threatened mercilessly.
It's the information age folks, put it to use.

Big_D on Tue, 06/12/2007 - 10:10pm.

Yes, poor, poor, poor David Cole-Stein the Con Man:

 http://jennyquarx.blogspot.com/2014/01/holocaust-denier-cole-infiltrates.html

Turns out he was less "oppressed" than just wanted to reinvent himself after deep professional embarrassment.  It's notable none of Cole super fans have flocked back to him after his outing.

But I digress.    Or perhaps when loons infiltrate a popular movement, the lunacy is doomed to propagate.

Viva La Madness.

Let's end on a hilarious exchange from the comments:

M. Kaney

October 29, 2011 at 10:34 pm

By the way, I will be straight up and not try to dance around it. It is your classic portrayal of Ron as a crazy racist old coot.. that classic talking point that requires no independent thought or acknowledgement of a brilliant man is what gives you away as an infiltrator yourself. Like him or hate him, most of the people in the movement have been open enough to have intelligent and sincere conversations about the man and the ideas he champions. That’s what gave you away, your lack of intellectual humility.

Thelibertylamp

October 30, 2011 at 12:00 am

What ideas are those? That 95% of all black males in DC are criminals? That global warming is a myth? That evolution doesn’t exist? That the economy needs to be placed squarely in the hands of precious metals speculators? That labor unions have no right to exist? That abortion should be criminalized? That governmental regulation of private industry is a flawed idea? That banks and capitalism need to exist in an environment unhindered and unfettered by pesky regulations? Ron Paul’s only contribution is that his rhetoric variously demands either the auditing or abolition of the federal reserve– but there is no plan after that. We’ve always had a sincere position on Ron Paul: he’s a racist, theocratic old man who– apart from being profoundly anti-labor– is an advocate of the highest degree for the privileges of the ultra-rich to live without having to contribute anything to the communities in which they live.
And what about this term you threw in at the end– “intellectual humility?” Are you using this term because you mean to imply we are violating Mill’s credo that we are not humble about what we don’t know– that we are arrogant and close-minded? Or instead do you mean that we should humble ourselves before your sacred cows because we might offend you? Instead of readily dismissing criticisms of Paul for whatever reason, perhaps the entire Ron Paul movement needs to practice some intellectual humility of its own. I am sick and tired of seeing reams of denials and apologetics about Ron Paul’s racism in his own paper from members of his movement– when people are presented with incontrovertible statements (and even video footage, with regards to the evolution statement) from people about their political opinions, they generally understand those statements are those of the person making them. The overwhelming, rote, scripted chorus from the Ron Paul movement is “he didn’t really say that” or “he didn’t really mean that.” Who’s practicing “intellectual humility” now?

And for anyone in doubt about the source of Paul's opinion on Blacks, the environment, etc, look no further than Ron Paul's own new letters, written by Paul himself.

 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ron_Paul_newsletters
 http://wrongpaul.tumblr.com/post/16331619798/http-ronpaulnewsletters-blogspot-com

Ba-DUM.

Re: Rethink.org for 7 bucks at Facebook

 This wee gem gives an inkling of how convoluted the "truth movement" fraud is.  Also a sign of how little "sheeple" remain to front the scam, forcing the long term players to cannibalize  each other.

Rethink911.org was a website started by one of the sleaziest "truther" conartists, a mental basket case with compulsion for self destructive behaviour.  This is explained by experts in terms of needed to feel Godlike, even if it means the complete destruction of their future prospects:

Narcissists can be self-destructive as often as they are destructive to others. They have a great deal of trouble accepting responsibility for their own actions, under any circumstance.

And:

"Thus, through the agency of my hapless and helpless victims, I bring upon my head recurrent torrents of wrath and punishment. This animosity guarantees my unraveling and my failure, outcomes which I avidly seek in order to placate my inner, chastising and castigating voices (what Freud called "the sadistic Superego")."

I'd describe this as bat shit insane, but I'm funny that way.   Unfortunately it matches up exactly with the behaviour of the worst persons pushing/selling the "truther" con.   More reasonable persons tried to distance themselves.  But an Internet search for

rethink911.org Richard Gage Domain

will show where all the metaphorical bodies are buried.  Or just go here.

At Facebook someone has vanished from the conversation, but it's still in cache for a while:

http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:EQOD15SGSrcJ:https://www.facebook.com/Rethink911/posts/627830110571189+&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us

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September 4, 2013 at 2:46am

Gus Espada typo: Whatch

September 4, 2013 at 3:06am

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Janis Blease Waddick Sharing, thanks for your efforts. I've been called a cook for a long time by friends and family for my persistence on this subject. When you guys succeed, which you will; opinion will change as the truth is made public by the MSM.

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September 5, 2013 at 10:43pm · 1

Quotes:

 "For $7 you can have Facebook promote this or another 9/11 Truth related post in you friends' feeds. Just another way we can help make this campaign reach as many people as possible. Not a huge fan of giving FB money, but this is one cause I'm willing to hold my nose for..."  

It's so cute when they pretend they actually believe this garbage.  This person is an old associate of the despicable  con man James Fetzer:

http://jennyquarx.blogspot.com/2014/03/mia-dolan-on-eric-hufschmid-911truth-at.html

So, whatever.

Who's Behind "Killtwoofers"? An idiot, that's who

Title totally a mockery of Craig Lazo's paranoid blog spam.

What isn't a joke is the actual blog, "Killtwoofers", published by a regular reader of Screw Loose Change, in early 2007.

Currently Google has this to say about the blog:
https://www.blogger.com/blogin.g?blogspotURL=http://killtwoofers.blogspot.com/

This blog is in violation of Blogger's Terms of Service and is open to authors only

http://killtwoofers.blogspot.com/

If you are an author of this blog, tell us who you are! Sign in using your Account.

The history is sordid, beginning when someone calling themselves "killtwoofers" setting up the blog with this profile:

killtwoofers

My blogs

• What Twoofers Deserve

About me

On Blogger since April 2007

Profile views - 577

The actual blog is quite creatively nasty:

Thursday, April 19, 2007

Jenny Sparks. Wouldn't it be Great?

Wouldn't it be great to wake up with the following news....

Jenny Sparks found dead. Each of her nipples had been bitten off. Her left eyeball had been removed with a pair of tweezers. Two fingers on each hand, along with two toes on each foot had been cut off with scissors. She layed sprawled out on the floor. Her arms nailed to the floor, crucifiction style. Carved into her torso were the word "DIE TWOOFERS" over and over again. The official cause of death was drowning. Her lips had been superglued together and a continuous flow of water was seeped into her nostrils.

Wouldn't it be great?........

Posted by killtwoofers at 3:42 PM

As horrid as this is, it's more bizarre because, frankly, I was a nobody in 911 "truth".   Why would anyone go to the effort?

It got more bizzare when I was accused of actually setting up the blog by Ed, a claim the owners of Screw Loose Change blog would go on to echo, but never substantiated.  Excerpt  from archived comments :

 

Col. Jenny Sparks said...

And now I have my own hate blog!

LOL!

Got to tell the mates about this!

You know, your Screw Loose chums won't thank you for enabling my ego...

BTW--I power-lift and am stronger than many men my size. I am also a veteran and a martial artist. For accuracy, in future, any murder fantasies you have about me should involve firearms--used at a distance, aiming to kill.

Just a helpful reminder, sunbeam.

LOL!!!!!

So who's sock are you, anyway?

April 20, 2007 at 5:00 PM

Ed said...

And now I have my own hate blog!

It's your own? Do you mean that you set it up?

April 21, 2007 at 6:53 AM

is that possible?

April 21, 2007 at 3:17 PM

Stephen said...

Great blog Jenny

April 21, 2007 at 4:14 PM

Sword of Truth said...

This is what... your SIXTH sock puppet Jenny?

Isn't it kinda funny how the holocaust deniers and raging psychos never took SLCs side until you showed up?

April 21, 2007 at 5:25 PM

Col. Jenny Sparks said...

As usual, the little debunks are behind the curve---go to 911Blogger--where Our Jimbo admits he's got this wanker's IP--and therefore KNOWS it's NOT me.

Hows them apples?

LOL!

April 22, 2007 at 12:54 AM

Ed said...

If each individual human being were strictly bound to one IP address and one IP address only then perhaps your argument would be more compelling. “Commander Jenny Spark” and “Killtwoofers” may very well have different IP addresses, but that hardly prevents them from being the same person.

April 22, 2007 at 4:53 AM

Col. Jenny Sparks said...

Get ready to each a plate of crow, bitches:

>>>Seems the Screw Loosers think I did this for some archane reason. So, this leaves Jenny with no choice but to file a formal complaint with Google/ Blogger, with a request to track "killtwoofers" IP address.

And I will be archiving and blogging our correspondence at my blogspot blog.

And then I will will look forward to the MASSIVE plate of CROW I get to feed the debunks in future.

To be continued...

Impeachment. Accountability. A better world.<<<

GAME ON.

April 22, 2007 at 2:11 PM

Ed said...

As I’ve already pointed out, even if “Commander Jenny Spark” and “Killtwoofers” have different IP addresses, that hardly prevents them from being the same person. Setting up a fake blog under a different IP address form your usual one would have been a trivial undertaking.

Furthermore, the fact that we suspect you might have created this blog yourself means that we don’t have much trust in what you say or what you post. Given this lack of trust, and since this supposed correspondence between Google and yourself will be posted by you on your blog, why would we assume it to be genuine?

April 22, 2007 at 2:45 PM

Ed said...

Also, even if Google were to indulge this request to trace the IP address (which seems unlikely) and even if they were to turn it over to you once they had done so (even less likely) and even if we trusted you to faithfully relay the results of this trace to us (which we don’t) what would it prove?

You can enter [an IP address] into a "reverse lookup" service -- there's one at zoneedit.com/lookup.html -- and find out who owns it. In my example, the answer is Google, and the lookup provides a postal address in Mountain View, California. However, in most cases, the number will be one of a large block assigned to an internet service provider (ISP) such as BT, and knowing BT's address is not much help. You would need to look up BT's logs to find out who was using a particular IP address at a particular time, then look up BT's customer records to find the user's postal address. ISP's don't make this sort of information generally available.

April 22, 2007 at 3:15 PM

Col. Jenny Sparks said...

Hmm, Ed--and as I'VE already said, at this rate, you're basically arguing that a debunk can LIE about me and,no matter what proof I get, YOU'LL NEVER belive me.

Well, I just can't argue with logic like that. ;-P

So, what's your interest, Ed? Why do you NOT want me to talk to Google? Or do you now see that the fact I'm willing and eager to work with them--and they DO have the means to sort this--blows a hole in your "theory"?

Let's take a look at YOUR profile--but before I go, I'll remind the lot you of B.J. Edwards--a debunk with a PROVEN record of socks--which got him BANNED at 911Blogger.

Is "killtwoofers" B.J.Edwards? And what about YOU "Ed"--Ed=Edwards?

Hmmmm...

April 22, 2007 at 4:09 PM

Ed said...

Is "killtwoofers" B.J.Edwards? And what about YOU "Ed"--Ed=Edwards?

That's why you're a conspiracy theorist! I'm more than happy for you to approach Google. But anyway, I reply to your other thoughts here:

http://www.haloscan.com/comments/screwloosechange/4171148482076502623/

April 22, 2007 at 4:42 PM

Ed said...

Fixed!

April 22, 2007 at 4:44 PM

Ed said...

Go to the other thread. Let's not discuss this in two places at once.

April 22, 2007 at 5:05 PM

Col. Jenny Sparks said...

Get bent, "eddie".

Or better yet, why don't YOU come over to 911Blogger?

I notice how you haven't challenged the logical fallicies of the Screw Losers for assuming I did this so called "blog".

Yep , there's that double standard--because as far as ANY reason to believe I've done this--or in the ravings of Sword of Twoof-"six" blogs(not only do I have NO idea what he's on about, but I have NO idea where that figure comes from)--your side has BUGGER ALL as evidence.

You know, this was all a laugh, in a twisted macabre way--I get great amusment from people who think this shite bothers me. But then you lot tried to stick it on me. Whole different game now.

You debunks REALLY want to push this and turn our little scirmish from a cold war to a hot one? Remember what happened with that "thing"?

BTW: please give a logical reason why someone would make the statement "What are the odds he has a Portland area IP address?"

Among other things, why would James say "he" if he really thinks it's me?

Oh yeah, and why do YOU care again, sunbeam?

As for you, "killtwoofers"---you better stay small and quiet, bitch.

April 22, 2007 at 5:55 PM

Col. Jenny Sparks said...

Not so clever now, are you, our Eddie?

And you're a bit of a coward, I see...

I just noticed you were the first tosser to try to pin this on me.

Perhaps you could give your LOGICAL explaination for this.

Unless you're chicken. Cluck, cluck.

April 22, 2007 at 7:38 PM

Ed said...

Go to the other thread. Let's not discuss this in two places at once.

April 23, 2007 at 4:30 AM

Civilized Worm said...

You guys needs to stop making baseless accusations, that's what conspiracy theorists do.

April 23, 2007 at 12:22 PM

 Well, CW had a point.   Except that the accusations might not be entirely baseless.



Since, a request for the ISP information of "killtwoofers" has been made, but the parties seem reluctant to cooperate.  Now knowing the entire gig is a fraud, I've gone over exactly what certain debunkers said and have pieced together some facts:

1.  SLC blog traffic records have "Killtwoofers" ISP info

2. This info at first appeared to match traffic from my location(s)

3.  ISP traffic never again matched, implying a one off use from a non proxy account

4. The conartist pretending to be my friend at the time, privately advised me to tone down the denial, suggesting it might make people believe I actually did do it.

5. The blog owners of SLC, where the first link was published, have been less than honest about the order of events at the time.

6. Nor are they willing to release "killtwoofers" ISP traffic, even though they know by now is was not me and I've been sharing information about these frauds with the FBI.

Hmm.

My working hypothesis is one of the sleazy scammers, possibly a fake friend or associate, is "killtwoofers".    The pattern seems to match other provocation /mind fuck attempts:


1. initial outrage, sympathy and shock
2.  attempts to blame the target
3.  when target fails to respond as expected or refuses to be "guided", try to dismiss, move on, pretend it didn't happen

The last step is the clue:  because if the target is determined to uncover the source, the con artists are screwed.

Well, at this point they're all screwed.  I don't think the blog owners of SLC set it up, but it's possible someone they know did.  OTOH, if they are correct that is was from an ISP I used, then I know with 95% certainty who it was, and that is really, really bad.   It would prove a deliberate con, or rather, confirm the existing mountain of evidence proving a deliberate con.  

But let's look at Eddie, the first person who suggested I made the blog.  He appears to have moved on:


https://www.blogger.com/profile/09409569703718749183

Ed

Contact me

• 123100 (ICQ)

On Blogger since April 2004

Profile views - 1198

My blogs

• 26h.net

About me

Gender	Male
Location	Spain

 He did have an interesting blog, that briefly touched on the targets of the "truther" scam in exactly the same why the SLC blogs owners avoid  like the plague(relevant text bold) :

Monbiot on Moonbats: Screw Loose Change

February 20th, 2007

I seem to take something of a guilty pleasure in the anatomical study of conspiracy theories. Maybe it’s because their proponents espouse phenomenological explanations that are, shall we say, unnecessarily intricate. William of Occam would be turning in his grave. So much so that perhaps “turning” isn’t even the right word. He’d be performing rapid summersaults like a particularly ill-managed foosball mannequin. Any trace of reason or epistemological sobriety being expelled in dark trails by the overwhelming centrifugal forces. Apropos the vehicle for this gratuitously macabre metaphor, George Monbiot has written a couple of good articles in the Guardian this month. “A 9/11 Conspiracy Virus is Sweeping the World” where he takes conspiracy documentary Loose Change to task and the perhaps marginally more resolute “9/11 Fantasists Pose a Mortal Danger to Popular Oppositional Campaigns” from todays edition. Here’s a bit from the former:

There is a virus sweeping the world. It infects opponents of the Bush government, sucks their brains out through their eyes and turns them into gibbering idiots. First cultivated in a laboratory in the US, the strain reached these shores a few months ago. In the past fortnight, it has become an epidemic. Scarcely a day now passes without someone possessed by this sickness, eyes rolling, lips flecked with foam, trying to infect me. The disease is called Loose Change.

And the latter:

“You did this hit piece because your corporate masters instructed you to. You are a controlled asset of the new world order … bought and paid for.” “Everyone has some skeleton in the cupboard. How else would MI5 and special branch recruit agents?” “Shill, traitor, sleeper”, “leftwing gatekeeper”, “accessory after the fact”, “political whore of the biggest conspiracy of them all”.
These are a few of the measured responses to my article, a fortnight ago, about the film Loose Change, which maintains that the United States government destroyed the World Trade Centre and the Pentagon. Having spent years building up my leftwing credibility on behalf of my paymasters in MI5, I’ve blown it. I overplayed my hand, and have been exposed, like Bush and Cheney, by a bunch of kids with laptops. My handlers are furious.

Those last few paragraphs perhaps betray sympathy with Maddox’s view of the matter; but for less glib accounts of what’s wrong with the conspiracy theories “The 9/11 Truth Movement in Perspective” from Skeptic Magazine and “Debunking the 9/11 Myths” from Popular Mechanics are actually really interesting in themselves.
Stay mental, yeah?
P.S: I have to admit to blatantly nicking the subtitle of this post from the Screw Loose Change website. I couldn’t resist. It works on two levels!

Posted by Ed

Filed in George Monbiot, Loose Change, The Guardian, 9/11, Conspiracy Theories

Apart from his "Jenny did it" bandwagon 'Sode, Ed seems to be reasonable and not under the thrall of extremist right-wing crap. Ed's blog is, ironically titled:

26h

I Might Be Wrong

 Yes, yes he was.

He was also wrong about how IP's work.  Google doesn't need to trace a user's IP address.  Google KNOWS.  As does Facebook, Youtube, etc.   And as we can see from the blog being hidden, Google does care.

But it is odd Eddie didn't cotton on that Google KNOWS.  Ed's right they might not share without a court order, but they do KNOW.  And they would know over the course of a week-ish:

-the IP KT set up the account at
-the IP KT used to post at SLC
-the IP KT used to publish the blog.

If KT used the same ISP for all, then there was no way to confuse it with my traffic.

If KT used the same ISP as myself even once, then I know exactly who it is.

If KT was simply posting around the same time I was, and knew I was online, they are know to me, though not necessarily  in the same city.

I have all the lyng scammers ISP info from that time archived.  I just need a comparison sample.  Why people are protecting KT is a mystery.

Interesting, the initials of KillTwoofers is the same as Craig Lazo's screen name KillTown.

Fortunately for Lazo(who has enough problems to be going on with), the writing style is completely different from his or his ex's.  One of Lazo's charms is his inability to write in any style besides "snide passive aggressive whiny know it all". (His ex is much the same, with bitchy jabs).  Otherwise he'd be the prime suspect.


For the record...it won't end well.




Note: my browser implies "crucifiction" is not a word in British or American English.

 (Note, however, that crucifiction is simply an error in either form of English; crucifixion is the correct spelling.)

It is however a common misspelling and a neologism on one website.

Another word spellcheck isn't happy with is "layed", properly spelled "laid".

This probably eliminates at least two people from  composing this crap.  However, it doesn't  mean they didn't publish it.


Update: July 2014

This in no way lets the SLC duo off the hook, but someone with the same handle was spamming the Loose Change forums in 2008:

 http://s1.zetaboards.com/LooseChangeForums/topic/1011670/1/

I'd just like to point out that these "debunkers" resort to some really sad tactics many times. Tonight(Christmas evening by the way), we've been repeatedly spammed by the same loser with about 5 different socks demanding evidence of an inside job. (His names were: manny, peterpiper, Bond BPA, and jason mcdonald)

Anybody care to know what one of his phoney email addresses was?

killtwoofers@yahoo.com


Hmm, now who other than our beloved pals over at JREF likes to use the word, "twoofer" to describe those of us who refuse to believe EVERYTHING the government tells us?

On behalf of the truth, I say Merry Christmas to you precious silly-heads over at JWEF.

This may or may not be the same person.  If not,  it's a copy cat.  Isp information has been published, but is to be taken with a grain of salt.  These are the same people who gave aid and comfort to Craig Lazo friends, their insane theories and allowed them to run amok for years making shite up about Val McClatchey and Susan Jovin.

It must be really sad to have no life and to be doing such things on Christmas day.

And those JREFers say we are violent.

I think one of theirs just went "over the edge".

In any event, since this is a death threat, it has been forwarded to the proper authorities, as well as Suddenlink communications... The owner of that IP.

Edit to add - Perhaps Chillzero would be so kind as to cross reference the info from the above pic with the user database there ?

Yeah, I didn't think so.

Edited by JFK, Dec 26 2008, 09:25 AM.

This IP is indeed Suddenlink and is based in West Virginia:

IP:  75.109.3.123

Decimal:    1265435515

Hostname:    75-109-3-123.krmtcmtk01.res.dyn.suddenlink.net

ISP:    Suddenlink Communications

Organization:   Suddenlink Communications

Services:   None detected

Type:  Broadband

Assignment:   Dynamic IP

    
Geolocation Information

Country:  United States

State/Region:  West Virginia

Which indicates, if the SLC duo aren't lying about the Portland ip address, that it's a copycat.  Or the account was used by more than one person.

But there is another explanation that fits the facts, but would be very, very bad for the two people trying to frame me for the blog... because it would mean one or both of them knew from the beginning who it was.   And that is both deliberate and actionable.


Update: an hour later:

After checking ISP traffic records, it does appear this "killtwoofers" is actually Troy from West Virginia.  Visited commentary about himself from a similar Suddenlink dynamic IP address(es) in September and October of 2009:

 Suddenlink Communications 173.80.157.40

The nature of dynamic IPs is an exact match is unlikely.  Unhappily for "Killtwoofers" the ISP can confirm records at the time.

See what happens when emails are ignored?

Mind, this doesn't clear up the identity of the original "killtwoofers".   I'm assuming at least one of the SLC duo is not lying.  Otherwise why be cagey about it if they knew it was Troy all along?  And why would the conartist sleaze try to downplay it?

Actually that one is obvious: the tone of the blog is rife with "issues" the con artist sleaze brought up herself in private conversations.   Making the question of why would this even occur to Troy unless someone fed him content?

It's not his usual M.O.    But the writing style is plausible.   And we all know he's capable of it.

But my jury is out until I have the ISP info requested.  Given the length of time, about a year, from the first 'Sode, the second Killtwoofers could be part of a clean up operation to protect the first one.

Eventually it'll all come out in the wash.