Orangutan of 9/11 Blogger caught fibbing about Christopher Bollyn

It was bound to happen sometime.  When a group of dishonest people set out to to sell their conspiracy snake oil as "anti war" activism, eventually inconsistencies would leak out. 

But many of the architects of the truth movement fraud have avoided out-right lies and misrepresentations, the better to ape deniability. And they're usually smart enough to avoid "fishing" under false pretences.  Usually, but not always.

Orangutan, the co-owner of 911blogger was fishing in early 2007 about Christopher Bollyn:

Paula Zahn CNN

We need to get the video of this Paula Zahn crap up!! And what is with that Christopher Bollyn dude. Is he legit?

Orangutan. on Tue, 01/30/2007 - 8:22pm.

 No

Bollyn is a racist. As I said in Real Truther's post earlier this week, nothing good was going to come from that Bollyn interview.

simuvac on Tue, 01/30/2007 - 8:25pm.

Anyone reading "What is it with this Christopher Bollyn dude. Is he legit?" is meant to assume:

a.  Orangutan doesn't know who Bollyn is
b.  Orangutan isn't familiar  with Bollyn's material or ideology
c.  Is soliciting advice from the community based on his presumed ignorance.

Christopher Bollyn is currently enjoying a renaissance in the 911 Truth Fraud community.  Recently returning to the states, he's been wined and dined by many "truth" groups, presumably because they no longer have to pretend they're not in bed with Holocaust deniers.  It can also be the last ditch effort to cleanse themselves of any anti racist participants remaining so they can carry on blaming the Jews in peace. 

And good on them.   As long as they're honest about  their sleazy pseudo Nazi goals and aren’t pretending to be liberals or leftists, the rest of us will know who to avoid.

Several groups have hosted Bollyn in the past several weeks:

-Oct 1st Talk in Jasper, Alberta, CA, organized by Monica and Andy of 911Jasper

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ELuOtKRmcw

http://www.facebook.com/bollynbooks911/posts/371615846330976
- Sept 27  Talk in Seattle arranged by Jerry, Matt and Ben, presumably by the Seattle Truth group:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sw4UDcmOqp4
http://www.bollyn.com/bollyn-in-seattle-sept-27/

- Sept 24  interview with NonAlligned Media

http://nonalignedmedia.com/2014/09/nam-podcast-episode-3/

From this image appears to have an event with the 911truthla group recently:

Also paused for a photo op with antisemite apologist Gilad Atzmon:

And had a speaking event with Craig Lazo's Portland group:

http://www.bollyn.com/solving-9-11-event-in-portland-september-24/

-Sept 17 speaking event in Davis Ca:
http://www.bollyn.com/bollyn-to-speak-at-davis-for-9-11-truth/

-Sept 14 Hosted by San Diegans for 911 truth:
http://www.bollyn.com/photos-of-solving-9-11-event-in-san-diego/

-Sept 13 Bollyn was speaking in Dimas.
http://www.bollyn.com/9-11-truth-events-with-bollyn-in-california/

-Sept 11 Bollyn had a table at the 9-11 Truth Film Festival at the Grand Lake Theater in Oakland

-Sept 10 Interviewed on fringe radio Guns and Butter:
http://www.kpfa.org/archive/id/106722

Quite a busy little bee Bollyn has been.

Bollyn has returned to the US after supposedly fleeing vague Zionist forces who were out to get him.  The truth will probably be less dramic and more banal, like he was about to be caught in a scheme and laid low until the statute of limitations ran out.  Or maybe Bollyn saw what happened to David Cole-stien when Cole tried to get clever and decided to play it straight, knowing he'd be welcome back into the arms of his fans, which includes Orangutan, the co owner of 911blogger.

Why, yes , Orangutan did pretend he'd never heard of Christopher Bollyn.  What he was doing was fishing in the audience.  Taking the temperature.  See how much people know about or abject to a raging Holocaust Denier being involved with the truth movement. Because, not only did Orangutan know about Bollyn a year earlier, he promoted Bollyn's so called research on his local Wisconsin Democrat yahoo group list:

http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/DemocracyforWisconsin/conversations/messages/7729

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Ted Tilton Jr.

Dec 24, 2006

Here is some more information when considering the current history of our country...

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Israel's awareness of the events has been a hot button from the very beginning. The focus centers on the dancing Israeli film crew who was set up across the river to film the whole event as it unfolded that morning in September of 2001.

 

Think you will find this article of interest. It is the harshest commentary on Israeli involvement I've seen thus far, but it is the first time I've read about those five people who were arrested and then released in New York being on a talk show.

 

 

 

The Likud Criminal Gang

Behind 911 &

The 'War On Terror' 

By Christopher Bollyn

12-23-6

 And the punch line is, he was called out then, and told the same thing by a fellow list member:

CYNTHIA LAITMAN

Dec 25, 2006

Dear Ted Tilton,

While I, as a Jew, am deeply upset by Israel's recent aggressions against innocent Palestinians, the article you have forwarded to our listserve, by Christopher Bollyn, is downright alarming. Finding fault with Israel's policies is one thing -- and is fair game. However, damning the Zionist movement and insinuating that it is some worldwide evil cabal, as Bollyn has done in this and other articles he's written, is right out of the playbook of the the most virulent and hate-mongering anti-Semites of our age, including the authors of the infamous "Protocols of Zion".

There are many legitimate voices rightfully criticizing Israel's current leadership. Bollyn's is not one of them.

Wishing everyone happy holidays,
Cynthia

 

Thirty Seven (37) days after being told by Cynthia that Bollyn is an anti semite goon, Orangutan is pretending at 911Blogger he doesn't know who Bollyn is?

Orangutan is just another manipulative Patriot/Tea Bagger liar pushing the 911 Truth scam.

It won't end well.

Where did the Space Beams come from?

In late 2007, Craig Lazo made a big hairy deal about me not caring about CB-Brooklyn/Judy Wood/Space Beams etc.   He took it personally to rather a  demented degree.

At the time it was just crazy weirdness in a sea of crazy weirdness.  Now it makes sense.  It was an opportunity to try to drive off someone who had finally been identified as NOT one of the real truther "hive".

Ignoring me would have worked so much better.  But in Mr. Lazo's case, any time there is a choice between a messured, rational response and sensational attention-whoring, attention whoring will win every single time.  

Well, Mr.  Kt Lazo will be happy to see I'm now giving the "Space Beam" theory my full attention.  Specifically who first pushed it:  Nazi wannabe Christopher Bollyn of the American Free Press. 

No, not Judy Wood.   Bollyn floated this theory at a conference of Holocaust deniers, almost five years before Fetzer introduced Judy Wood.

This is detailed in the Southern Poverty Law Center's Intelligence Report "The Next American Führer?, Issue Number:  107, Fall 2002, in the article  'Risking Their Freedom':

 'Risking Their Freedom'  

A group of 'internationally renowned scholars' probes 9/11. And, to the surprise of no one, identifies a familiar enemy.

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House "journalist" Christopher Bollyn, who works for Carto's anti-Semitic American Free Press (a new incarnation of his Spotlight newspaper), said he knew something was fishy thanks to a friend in Denmark who taped 1,200 hours of news coverage of the attacks — much of which was later edited out by news services with a secret agenda.

One of those tapes showed "someone coming out of the towers" who said "he was hit by a bomb in the building. But then the FBI took him away."

The government, Bollyn added, sold the World Trade Center to "a [Jewish] strip club owner and he then insured the buildings quickly for $3 billion and now he wants $7 billion. ... So for $100 million in borrowed money he gets $3 billion."

Bollyn also objected to the use of an Iranian engineer to examine the collapse of the Trade Center's towers. "Don't they have any American engineers?"

And then there was one "Gregory Douglas," with his top-secret German document proving conclusively the Bush Administration and Israel knew about and likely orchestrated the attacks.

"Israel is always involved in everything!" he said.

That certainly got the attention of the attendees. Except, as a sheepish Bill White noted on his "libertarian socialist" Web site later (White had initially hailed the document as revelatory), it turns out that Douglas is an accused forger.

Veteran European journalist Gitta Sereny has written that Douglas forged a document that he told her was proof that the Americans and British had helped two Nazi war criminals escape Europe in 1945. Douglas' later book on one of them, Gestapo boss Heinrich Muller, was, she wrote, "filth" that was as "fake" as the earlier document.

From there, it got weirder still. In a question-and-answer period following the speeches, Bollyn suggested that the Trade Center towers might have been zapped with a "disintegration ray." The fine dust would be the logical outcome of such a ray.

Partin chimed in, saying it actually would have taken two disintegration rays to do the job.

Well, that's not completely surprising now Fetzer is out of the Holocaust Denial closet.  Confirms that Judy Wood is a victim and front woman for the space beam theory. 

Still leaves it open as to what benefit a group of Jew haters would gain by creating and spreading toxic tin foil Kool-aid.  

I have no answers for that one, not even solid informed speculation.   The best wild ass guess is uber whacked out "theories" will guarantee a pool of easily duped followers, easy to manipulate (they'll believe anything!).  How this can be considered a political asset in the long haul boggles the mind.  Any short term benefits gained by recruiting people so far gone to take "disintegration rays" seriously, will be overwhelmed by the liability of a base too crippled in critical thinking skills to make good judgement calls in the interest of the group.

On the other hand, maybe Bollyn and company don't care.   Maybe all they want of their dupes is an amorphous army of zombies to defend them without question.  The Ronulians of Paultard fame acted exactly like this, being  impervious to facts, logic and reason while the spread the "message" of Ron Paul.  Who can forget the scathing intellectual rejoinders  like: FREEDOM! LIBERTY! CONSTITUTION! 

Just substitute INSIDE JOB, and you get the same dynamic, but with a smaller pool of zombies.    And if that was the goal, it is also why it was ultimately a failure.  

Even at the height of the fakery/space beam craze, with Yahoo list-serves spawning like crazy, the most active participants were a core of scammers directly responsible for making up the theories, and a loyal following either in on the con or completely duped by it.    I would be surprised if the people outside the con, genuinely duped by it, exceeded 100. That's why they tripped over themselves when they got a "live one", real people who were taking their theories seriously(at least until they saw they were invented by crazy people).  These people were useful to "prove" fakery was real activism. 

But, since these theories never had a broad appeal, (in fact a main tactic to seduce people was it's narrow appeal, a la, "the sheeple don't understand these special secrets you are privy to") the demise of the beam/fakery "movement" could have been predicted by anyone with political savvy. 

In layman's terms, these theories were "too crazy for non crazies to care".  This was a handy camouflage. No one ever guessed the source of the Space Beam theory were actual Neo-Nazis. Neo-Nazis, and fellow travelers who were "risking their freedom" to organize this tripe: 

WASHINGTON — After you sent in your $180 registration fee, and after receiving your own secret code and calling the secret phone number that came with it, the hidden location was finally revealed.
The "galaxy of internationally renowned scholars and journalists," those brave souls who have "Risked Their Freedom to Bring Truth to the World," would be meeting at the Holiday Inn on The Hill.

There, amid families on budget trips to the American capital, some 120 people who do not believe that the Holocaust occurred gathered in June to swap dark tales of conspiracies and cover-ups. It was, in the words of The Barnes Review that sponsored it, "a history-making event" — a view not shared by most of those familiar with Review founder Willis Carto, a veteran anti-Semitic extremist.

This is part of a greater organizing of American and European racists with sympathizers of Islamic terrorist groups.  This was analysed in the Intelligence Report, spring 2002 Issue :

National Alliance, Holocaust Deniers React to 9/11 Attacks


By Martin A. Lee
As Germany's defeat loomed during the final months of World War II, Adolf Hitler increasingly lapsed into delusional fits of fantasy.
Albert Speer, in his prison writings, recounts an episode in which a maniacal Hitler "pictured for himself and for us the destruction of New York in a hurricane of fire."
The Nazi fuehrer described skyscrapers turning into "gigantic burning torches, collapsing upon one another, the glow of the exploding city illuminating the dark sky."
An approximation of Hitler's hellish vision came true on Sept. 11, when terrorists destroyed the Twin Towers in New York, killing nearly 3,000 people. But it was not Nazis or even neo-Nazis who carried out the attack — the deadliest terror strike in history allegedly came at the hands of foreign Muslim extremists.
Still, in the aftermath of the slaughter, white supremacists in America and Europe applauded the suicide attacks and praised Osama bin Laden, the mastermind of the massacre.

It's a four page article full of good information, but little dirrectly relevent to the "truth" movement until page four:

'Working for Their Races'
The Philadelphia-based American Front thinks highly of Osama bin Laden, too, describing him as "one of ZOG [Zionist Occupation Government, the name many extremists give to the federal government, which they believe is run by Jews] and the New World Order's biggest enemies."
And it is not alone. Wolfgang Droege, one of 17 Canadian racists who traveled on a "fact-finding mission" to Libya in 1989, is similarly enamored of bin Laden, seeing parallels between bin Laden's struggle and others supporting "racial nationalism" in North America.
"I've had dealings with Black Muslims, I've had dealings with Arabs, I've had dealings with people of various races, and I realize that some of these people are as motivated as I am in working for the interest of their race," Droege told MacLean's magazine.
While they wouldn't want bin Laden, or anyone of non-European descent, living next door, leaders of the hard-core racist movement in the United States have seized upon the Sept. 11 attacks as an opportunity to expand their strategic alliance with Islamic radicals under the pretext of supporting Palestinian rights.
After hijacked airplanes demolished the World Trade Center and damaged the Pentagon, a number of Muslim newspapers published a flurry of articles by American white supremacists ranting against Israel and the Jews.
Anti-Zionist commentary by neo-Nazi David Duke appeared on the front page of the Oman Times, for instance, and on an extremist website based in Pakistan.
Another opinion piece by Duke ran in Muslims, a New York-based English-language weekly, which also featured a lengthy critique of U.S. foreign policy by William Pierce, head of the rabidly racist National Alliance.
In the wake of Sept. 11, several American neo-Nazi websites also started to offer links to Islamic websites.
The psychological dynamics that propel the actions of Islamic terrorists have much in common with the mental outlook of neo-Nazis.
Both glorify violence as a regenerative force and both are willing to slaughter innocents in the name of creating a new social order.

The potential for an alliance between American neo-Nazis and Islamic terrorists — an alliance that could develop into strong operational ties — cannot be ruled out given the long and sordid history of fascist links to the Muslim world.

Another reason this can't be ruled out is the long an sordid history the architects of the 911 "truth" conspiracies like Larouch and Tarpley have with political players in the Middle East.  The most recent manifestation of SPLC predictions has been the Iranian Press-Tv propaganda outlet which Tarpley is invested in. 

Another is a Blame the Jews and Hollywood conference heavily attended by friends of the Larouche cult and White Power political players like Merlin Miller.

Merlin Miller, center, with Barrett

Webster Tarpley, far back

Mike Gavel with Fetzer

And, don't forget, these anti Semite Nazi lovers invented the 9/11 Space Beam Theory in 2002.

It can't end well.