Mark Fisher aka "Logicfish"
Mark Fisher is better known among the 911 "truther" community as "logicfish".
Fisher was specifically a part of a sub community used by the creepiest of creeps to intimidate and threaten people, hoping to convince them "agents" were out to get them. Fisher's old blogger profile was littered with links and projects to WQ2RX, a video tag cipher invented by either Fisher or his long time mentor Spiney aka Andrew Kelly. (Later, in 2008, Fisher registered a WQ2RX domain, but the tag had already been used for months)
A list of Fisher's blogs follows; though many are just copycat themes Spiney used, there are titles (in italics) were shared by Spiney, :
Some of these projects were dedicated to helping Craig "Killtown" Lazo and friends get away with "murder"...or at least harassment and defamation. The WQ2RX brand was used by at least Fisher, Kelly, "Webfairy", Fred BSregistration and "Ozzybinoswald" aka Greg Thomson. The last is relevant because Thomson had the most and worst videos, a few which were reported for having "sexed up" images of preteen girls.
When this was discovered, there was a backlash to the 911 porn videos(even persons otherwise brainwashed by conspiracies objected). Then Thomson first "ironically" admitted to publishing "child porn" on Youtube, then he angrily tried to project this on his critics.
[For the record, according to one of "Ozzy" Thomson's former acquaintances claimed he was an "information clearing house" for "truther" projects. Thomson's story is he was sent batches of images/information and told to mix them up in videos and he never examined the contents closely. Even if this is true, Thomson is still responsible for the results of his "work".]
This was in the middle of the "Harley Guy" scam project,
which did not go well(link). Finally, in some desperate attempt at a rubber/glue strategy, Lazo got Fisher and Kelly to spam blogs and Facebook pages claiming his critics might be scientologists and paedophiles and stalkers. This one was set up under Fisher's name.
For reasons that will probably never be explained, Fisher and Kelly then embarked on an Internet Spam crusade claiming to "expose" paedophiles in their community(Hudderfield, United Kingdom) with the flimsiest of "proof".
It's bizarre and baffling. Perhaps they were trying to make their blogs viral to hide their rubbish in the digital noise? If so, they failed spectacularly. Someone did notice, and they were not amused.
Earlier this year Mark Fisher was detained:
Mark Fisher detained in hospital after posting false claims online linking Huddersfield people to paedophilia
By Emma Davison
A man made vile online claims about people he held a grudge by claiming they were paedophiles.
Now Mark Fisher has been ordered to be detained in hospital.
Fantasist Fisher, of Fenton Road, Lockwood, posted the damaging comments online.
One of his victims, a schoolteacher, has been unable to return to work because of the false allegations made by the 44-year-old
District Judge Michael Fanning told him: “You made harmful and utterly baseless allegations against a number of individuals.
“The allegations you made are a fantasy and in one instance you harmed the career of one of your victims.”
Fisher was convicted after a trial of nine charges under the Malicious Communications Act of updating a website with grossly offensive articles.
He was found guilty of a further charge of harassment.
Oh, this does not look good for the conspiracy stalking crowd. It turns out there are consequences for spinning unfounded lies about people who never agreed to be part of a conspiracy freakshow. It get's better, er, worse:
The court heard that Fisher initially targeted one male victim with his lies.
Vanessa Jones, prosecuting, told Kirklees Magistrates’ Court: “Mr Fisher published on a couple of blog sites and Facebook some unpleasant information about this gentleman in relation to paedophile involvement.”Ah yes, the good ol semantics defence. It's a favorite of Lazo's ("It's suspected that Val's photo is fake") and casseia ("It's not a lie, it's my opinion.") Turns out in the real world, the legal system is not impressed by disingenuous semantics.
Fisher put a picture of the victim on the social networking site with a link to the website linked to a known sex offender.
But Fisher claimed that on his page were the details of ‘suspected perverts’ living in Huddersfield.
Fisher's target tried to resolve things like a normal person. I could have told him how that would have ended:
The victim told Fisher that the allegations were false and asked him to take the information off the site, which Fisher refused to do.But what's interesting, and surprising, is some of Fisher's friends had tried an intervention...this hardly ever happens in the conspiracy scene:
Others who knew Fisher responded and told him they were not happy about him making these claims.Ouch, but not surprising to anyone who has observed the conspiracy Borg in action. If you aren't with them, you are against them. Needless to say the judge was not convinced:
Mrs Jones said: “Four other people who knew Mr Fisher expressed their displeasure.
“They were added to the list that Mr Fisher felt were part of paedophile involvement.
Judge Fanning told him: “The allegations you made against them are a fantasy, linking them to paedophilia.”
He said that some of the victims were wrongly linked to terrorism while Fisher accused another of causing the death of her husband, when he was killed by a tragic accident.
In Making the hospital order, the judge said: “I am satisfied that you will continue to offend against these individuals or cast your net wider to involve those against whom you hold a grudge.”
But how did Mark Fisher go so far astray?
The Long Slide Into Conspiracy Fantasies and Mental Imbalance
Fisher didn't become this way over night. They say he's mentally ill and that could explain a lot:
The court heard that Fisher, who had no previous convictions, suffers from mental illness.But I'm hesitant to give Fisher that excuse. Fisher knew he was spreading lies about people when he worked with Spiney on the WQ2RX project, and when he helped spread Craig Lazo's blackmail stalking lies on Facebook and sundry websites. So it's hard for me to imagine Fisher didn't know he was lying about calling these people paedophiles.
I think it's more likely Fisher, much like Lazo, Thomson, and many other players in the online "truther" game, became habituated to shooting their mouths off about any crazy BS. Since they rarely were held accountable, they started to believe they were untouchable. Craig Lazo all but brags about it, posing disingenuous rhetoricals like, "If it's not true Val faked her photo why don't her friends defend her?" Lazo can't fathom the obvious: because she's warned them to stay out of it. Wynahusen isn't much better: "If 'killtowns' wrong, why hasn't Google removed his blog?", conveniently ignoring the well known fact contacting Google is a nightmare.
Well, she's not really ignoring it, is she? Lazo and Wynhausen know damn well how difficult it is to pursue a complaint with Google...that's why the worst of their lies about people are hosted on Google websites. Fisher was part of this strategy and was active so long it's possible his participation in craziness took it's toll.
Becoming the mask is always a risk for people pretending to be something they're not, even if they have good intentions. If they have malicious intentions, one can only wonder at the psychic toll over the years. The WQ2RX brand was conceived by Oct of 2007, along with dog4tree and other channels set up to spread it. Most people involved were active at Youtube and Livevideo.
Fisher's Youtube account is connected with Google+. His livevideo account was:
with his "crew" listed as Spiney, Coffinman,
In early 2007 his Livevideo had a Mature Content Warning, shades of the porn problems to come. There are videos of 9/11 conspiracies, mixed with crop circle and UFO woo. By the end of 2007 September Clues was out, and being promoted like crazy in Fisher's likes, along with bizarre conspiracies about Robin Hood and Apollo 13.
By this time Fisher was well in an committed to the "woo" lifestyle. Even years later, after the demise of Lazo's 911movement forum, they kept a hand in.
Fisher's friend Kelly would post as Spiney once in the new "Clues" forum:
implying he was involved with this blog:
and perhaps the person behind this profile mimicking nico's style:
One blog is more obvious being full of WQ2RX and "Ozzy" videos:
OzzybinOswald2 exposes impossible 9/11 helicopter fake FOX
Added: November 25, 2007
MEENA Wq2rx SEXY Tvfakery SAREE Ak1rd FCS AkÃ¸rd NIPPLES Kv4ri
Added: November 25, 2007
Submitted By: rabbit8carrot to rabbit8carrot's Channel
The obsession with sex and porn themes mixed with the WQ2RX tag had legs and never really stopped.
For the record, I don't think it was "sex" per se, so much as the idea of tagging videos as sexy or porn related to get greater distribution. From a pure logical perspective it's not a bad plan, if all you're interested in is spreading videos like wildfire, regardless of quality or intent. The problem is, while yes, is you tag or title a video "911 fakery XXX Hot Babes want you NOW", while the video will get attention, it will only get attention from people looking for "XXX Hot Babes". No one clicking the video will have the slightest interest in the September 11th attacks or truther "theories". Once they fail to see HOT BABES, they go away.
Once Ozzy had a meltdown on Lazo's 911movement forum over this, when a member pointed this out. "Ozzy" ranted about how Nico was doing the work of fifty men or summat(confirming Nico had been part of the WQ2RX crew) and the member should just STFU. In hindsight this is all rubbish: The WQ2RX videos(a project most likely instigated by Fetzer) had no intention of being a medium to push "truth". Their sole purpose was to spread propaganda and lies as a creepy intimidation tactic. Members were supposed to either spam them and cheer the project on, or shut up.
No one wants to admit they knew Spiney and Logicfish now: In this archived Reality Shack thread, Simon himself pretends to think a photoshop of Mark Fisher is actually "Ozzy":
From the screen of the video posted, it's rather obvious to anyone who knows Logicfish aka Mark Fisher, the bearded guy is Fisher, albeit a younger, less manic Fisher:Posted: Jan 25 2010, 12:04 AM***
I may take my spaceship and land right in front of
the VALLEY FORGERY CON-ference HALL !!
This is a video I just found - apparently made by 'our enemies'...:
Star Trek: WQ2RX Enterprise
Damn! I just LOVE these 'enemies' of ours... I always dreamt of taking a ride in the Star Trek spaceship...
And now I even get to be Simon S(p)hock !
ps: I guess that's supposed to be KT in the foreground? Is that you in the background, Ozzy, with the beard? If so, what a serene and endearing face !
Remember, all these people knew each other at Livevideo and Craig Lazo's forum. Shack's movie was only promoted by a small fringe of truthers; he knew exactly who was photoshopped in that screengrab. These people are running a scam and Fisher was involved. And it is impossible to believe Fisher did not know this was a scam. For whatever reason, Fisher hitched his wagon to "Spiney" and never looked back.
Spiney and Logicfish
They had an old website called SEO Follow. It's dead now, but on their about page one could get some insight into the relationship between these two men:
http://seofollow.net/blog/about (Go to Wayback)
Spiney & Logicfish have been geeky friends for – let’s just say a ‘long time’ with a combined experience of 50 years computing generally & over 25 years professionally developing multimedia, software applications, Content Management Systems & a myriad of websites.What's interesting is "Spiney" Kelly was always the dominant part of the pair; Kelly would be the one to do the most Internet tough talk. But it was Fisher who registered, and was responsible for their domains. Fisher may have done most of the actual computer work, while Spiney took the glory.
The tone of the about page is almost certainly Kelly writing. Fisher is less bold even online. If it's true they've been friends for most of their lives, they could have had a codependent relationship where perhaps Fisher felt safe with big brother Kelly to look after him and give him direction. Such people have weak egos and soft ethical standards, if any. It's hard to imagine Fisher telling Spiney "no" and his actions certainly support his willing involvement in several questionable, if not outright unethical online projects, with no hint of objection:
2007-2009? WQ2RX stalking videos
2010-2011 Setting up a couple of Facebook stalking pages
2011 Believes in magical ways to make money online:
Also from old website: Ez Wealth ideas
current site: http://www.ezwealthsolution.com/about_sponsor.php?logicfish
This could be the source of the Libertarian overlap: Fisher's Facebook groups include The British Constitution Group and Bitcoin Advertising Network . There is also the wq2rx group, of which Fisher is now the sole member.
2011-late: Fisher was helping Kelly, help Lazo set up vindictive Facebook pages, calling for people to stalk Lazo's enemies, claiming in a great exercise of projection they used "blackmail and death threats to close down websites" and they have "joined pedo chat rooms" .
This group is gone, but there is a screen:
It's hard to be angry with Fisher. From his avatar he looks quite deranged and clearly is parroting Lazo's lies with Kelly's encouragement. None of the people who joined his group look like they have all their marbles either. Unfortunately, some crazies do become violent, hence the reporting and deletion of their page. The sick part is that of the two Spiney knows what he's doing and set Fisher up to take the fall. The really sick part is that Fisher, being emotionally dependent on Spiney, might not have cared.
But what happens when the dominant partner in a grifter gang dies?
Andrew Kelly aka Spiney, is no longer with us. He died suddenly early in 2014:
April 26, 2014.
Aged 45 years. Suddenly whilst at home with his partner Carayna Zyeustt, Andrew Nicholas, only son of Edward and the late June Rose Kelly, much loved and sadly missed. Funeral at Huddersfield Crematorium on Thursday, May 15 at 10.00 a.m. Friends please accept this intimation.
Kelly was able to harass people online for years without ever seeing the inside of a jail cell, much less a mental ward. Oh, he lost websites, he lost Facebook accounts, but Kelly was savvy: he distanced himself as far as possible from the end results of his actions via patsies. That's why all his website were registered in Mark Fisher's name. That gives the lawyers a nice merry-go-round. Fisher was too direct, perhaps impatient for the adrenaline rush he was used to. And he rushed straight into a mental ward for it.
What the future holds
From the article:
Fisher will be kept in hospital for an initial six-month term. Upon his release he must comply with a restraining order, banning him from contacting six named victims.
Fisher is also banned from posting any images or material about them online.
In addition he is prohibited from maintaining the material already published by him, meaning that any offensive posts will need to be taken down.The future for Mr. Fisher is uncertain. He's not only without his long time friend and mentor Kelly, he's also without the extended support network that reinforced Fishers belief in invincibility. This could be a good thing if Fisher's responsive to therapy. Without the conspiracy crazies filling his head with grandiose crazy talk, Fisher could see how wasted his life has been and cut himself off from the conspiracy Borg that took over and destroyed his life. He could make new friends, find sane computer nerds to socialize with. If Fisher wants to this could be a golden opportunity to turn his life around.
I am cautiously optimistic but also realistic. Most people in Fisher's situation have very little ego keeping them together. That's how they fell into their situation in the first place. Whether they did it for thrills or to belong or to lash out, they don't have the internal emotional resources to cope with stress and anxiety, and so they lash out at "faceless" targets online.
Since at least 2007 Fisher has been part of a toxic, manipulative conspiracy network that operates much like a cult. A person who has been involved with a predatory group for 8 years and has not noticed something is wrong, clearly cannot do this by themselves. Whether, even after intervention, they will be able to see the problem remains to be seen.
It is far more likely they will rally their defence mechanisms to avoid, deflect and project blame; make excuses like "free speech" and claim to be persecuted. For people like this confronting the fact they have wasted their lives for nothing is just too horribly painful to face. At least without help.
A bad sign already is the directive that "any offensive posts will need to be taken down", presumably at the end of Fisher's treatment. I'm not sure why they shouldn't forcibly be taken down ASAP, perhaps as a condition of no further legal action against Fisher. That would be more than reasonable.
I hope for Fisher's sake, and frankly everyone else that encounters him, he's about to get the help he needs. Fisher is up for evaluation and possible release in October. I guess we'll find out then.
Archived connections on Livevideo, other associations and commentary.
The Livevideo website died several years back, no one really knows why. However much evidence of the Activities of Fisher's associates remain in wayback:
Spiney(Andrew Kelly) : http://www.livevideo.com/spineyextra
Viewing his channel in wayback, he has a link to a blog whining about censorship on Livevideo. The first post implies some videos got blacklisted. What? The guy has a thing for WQ2RX and PORN and his videos got blacklisted? Poor baby. This is also where we have a good inkling Kelly is an anti semite if the art for this blog is an indication:
Fred BSRegistration: http://www.livevideo.com/bsregistration
Can see his "crew" at this link:
Which includes, Killtown(Craig Lazo), Socialservice,
Expanded view: spineymedia, ewing2001
Ozzybinoswald(Greg Thomson): http://www.livevideo.com/ozzybinoswald2
Shacks Livevideo channel: http://livevideo.com/socialservice
instructive statement from archive:
Sunday, June 10, 2007 at 3:04 PMImportant note : having read some comments on well-known sites linking this research to various organizations, I want to stress that :I am not linked to any special interests or, in fact, to anyone whatsoever. I'm a LONE researcher am not affiliated to organizations of any kind. Of course, I have a few very smart friends out there which have helped me through - you know who you are, I love you all.Now, if anyone questions the authenticity of the TV footage used for this research - go to the 911 Chronology Sources Television Archive it's there for all to see :http://www.archive.org/details/sept_11_tv_archiveBUT BE WARNED : the entire FOX5 helicopter-shot has been edited out and replaced with planeless shot (only fireball) similar to CBS's - while commentary has remained unaltered...
(We'll be looking for the full clip of the "Harley Guy". And if it is there, it will prove that anyone pretending to not know who Mark Humphrey is knew they were creating a scam.)
Lazo's support an promotion of September Clues on his blog:
Jennifer Wynhausen, Craig Lazo's ex, was also part of the livevideo crew, though never made videos TTBOMK.
Her channel, now only in wayback, promoted September Clues fanatically, even though she only had one friend, "ewing2001". However a screenshot of her channel at another time shows she was "friends " with Fisher's partner "Spiney":
Jennifer's participation seems to be gathering and feeding information in addition to boosting search results with "likes". Keep in mind at all times the people involved with making and trying to sell September Clues to the truther crowd knew they were pushing a fraud.
Wynhausen and Lazo aren't the only Libertarians who jumped on this bandwagon. Lew Rockwell, Rick Siegel and Fred Smart are others; it was Smart who dragged "Webfairy" into the truther con where she'd be exploited by Fetzer and others. The high percentage of Libertarian truthers in positions of influence implies a political "long con".
I still don't see what Libertarians tangibly get out of this--money, political capital, whatever--- but the Libertarian/fringe right involvement pushing the theories is too well documented to dismiss. It's possible they had a "plan" that never worked or panned out, or was abandoned midway, leaving the participants to lunge about online like a chicken with it's head cut off. And, like with real conspiracies and crimes, not every detail will always be explained or make sense. But this is a persistently baffling one. It may say less about their craftsmanship at building a "long con" and more about the Libertarian mindset's bias to grandiose and magical thinking, believing they are just so special they'll get away with anything "just cuz".
stallion4: part of the WQ2RX crew at livevideo https://web.archive.org/web/20070613083959/http://www.livevideo.com/stallion4
...made a video called "An Angry Secret in the Lair of the Thermite Sniffers: WQ2RX"
Video linked to at this blog:
That blog has another interesting post....
Truthaction Petros feigns ingorance of wq2rx while gloating over lies about NWOilluminator http://youtube.com/911mythbusters and Dog4tree
The link, http://thehuddersfielddailyexaminer.magnify.net/ goes to a dead page but in wayback one can see it's yet another project of Spiney's spreading lies and WQ2RX rubbish.
Nico Ripped Off By Gary Welz' Cheesy WQ2Rx Thermite
Posted 2007-10-18. Rated 9.1 by 1 person. No comments. Post a comment.
OzzybinOswald2 wrote: Dog22Peach's weekly report:
http://www.thewebfairy.com/911 /home.htm SEPT 11 2001 WQ2RX MEDIA CELL MURDERED AMERICANS IN THE WORLD TRADE CENTER, not ATTA or United Flight 175.
[The only thing this Petros person is notable for at Truthaction is getting himself banned for trolling, at which his buddy "casseia" whines somewhere on the Internet:
I think for the sake of posterity it might be worthwhile to document "the score" for the sake of people who don't know, because it's just so patently outrageous -- the last outrage being the banning of Petros, purely on the basis of his association with me or this site or perhaps Col. Jenny's personal antipathy. YT's monster ego doesn't help.The underlined text refers to a specific lie this individual tried to float in Aug 2007, though this comment is dated March 2008(points for persistence!), but that's another convoluted story. Suffice it to saw no one had any antipathy for Petrol, or "casseia" for that matter, until it was clear they were liars running a scam with the same people they were "denouncing".
The sleazeball would go on to entertain White Supremacist supporters(Kevin Barrett) before being exposed as a conartist, which at this late date is a surprise to no one.]
The constant reference back to people in Craig Lazo's Portland group made it all but inevitable the WQ2RX garbage would be exposed as a scam created by Lazo's friends, including Mark Fisher, sooner rather than later. Perhaps the stupidest example was when Ozzybinoswald included in his videos requests for information directly addressing Craig Lazo's associates Ginny Ross and Steve Keller:
Just Google Ginny Ross and Craig Lazo...
Mark Fisher's Logicfish friendfeed account:
The website was closed down April 9th, but a screen of his account, with other members of the WQ2RX crew survives:
Videos of related Police Investigation
Fisher has unwisely uploaded videos to his vimeo account of police investigating his home after his arrest last year, or, as Fisher prefers to call it, his "detainment". From the time stamps on the videos, Fishers trouble with law enforcement started in October of 2014.
How Fisher describes these events:
He also has a video of the actual arrest...were the "meanie" coppers let him get his shoes before they take him to the station. Oh, and, Fisher makes a point of being "disabled". Whatever.
Illegal Entry - Two coppers force their way... by logicfish
Let's hope he gets help.
Story picked up across the web:
Internet troll who branded innocent people paedophiles and terrorists convicted of harassment
An internet troll who branded innocent people paedophiles and terrorists has been convicted of harassment.
Fantasist Mark Fisher, 44, posted damaging comments online about people he held a grudge against....
An Internet Troll Who Branded Innocent People Paedophiles And S Has Been Convicted Of Harment
Internet Troll Who Called Innocent People Paedophiles And Terrorists Have Been Charged With Harassment Charge